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Roll on the 20th June

Started by CLaNZeR, April 21, 2008, 11:41:56 AM

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therealrasta

Quote from: Xaverius on July 26, 2008, 07:23:59 PM
Hi Rasta, who is the manufacturer and what is the maximum thickness that can be cut?

Manufacturer:   
Pro
MFG Part:   
PT-55512

Not sure of the depth it can cut.. But since the smallest size is 1inch and the blades look longer than that..So reasonable saying 7/8th a inch.

Rusty_Springs

Hi Tinsel
Great video mate and thats the way to experiment, I can't see how Exx can comment on your video when in his own words he hasn't seen it but what I saw was how to experiment properly to get a true reading.
Take Care Tinsel
Graham

exxcomm0n

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on July 26, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
Hi Exx
Your showing how if you put the arrays close enough you get one big block magnet, all the flux starts from the middle and moves down and around to the opposite side and up and around to the opposite side so because the flux is moving down and around at the bottom its pulling your roller in but its moving the opposite way at the top so it wants to pull your roller back in or to the closest pole

Hi Rusty,

Not exactly what I was experiencing bud.

The 2 mag wide arrays reacted as was expected, but much wider than the roller and it either enforced the wall at the end of the 2 mag array, or strengthened the pole attraction so it would only move to the side of the thick array or the other, rather than through it.
Even when started from the middle of the "fat" array there was no through movement unless it was to an adjoining "thin" array or to stick to a pole.

Truth be told I'd need more mags though as 5 rows of 5 (I think I had 6 rows) were using 1/4 of the mags I had in that size (100 is the most mags I presently have of the same size and type) to truly test the effect.

Let me use the Q-tip theorem I'm so fond of.

A thin array seemed to have the fields close enough together so that the roller mag never touched the "stick" of the Q-tip and "floated" on the cotton (polar fields).

A thick array seemed to perhaps have more dense cotton (stronger fields), but since the "stick" (array length) was much longer the roller would be attracted to the cotton (end polarity field) and stick there unless there was an adjoining thinner array for it to even its attraction state when near the polar end of the thick array to pull the roller into the thin array.

The experiment was to see if lateral movement between 2 parallel arrays could be achieved by placing a thicker array between them to "bridge" the distance between the 2.

It didn't quite work that way. ;)

When using the thick array only (although it wasn't long enough for a true test, only 6 arrays or so) a roller would be pulled into the array track all the way to the end, and the "rubberband" effect would pull it back but not keep it centered so it would be attracted to one polarity or the other and flip up for closest pole to pole cohesion instead of staying flat in the middle of the array.

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on July 26, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
, this is why I have just two magnets side by side in the stator

I have to stop you here as you confuse me when you talk about the stator.
In electric motors, the stator is the unmoving part.
What exact part of a gate setup are you referring to when you say stator? The arrays in the track?
If so, why isn't it stators (plural)?

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on July 26, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
of my onewaygate and you showed the difference it makes having just two magnets, the onewaygate wasn't just thrown together after seeing how something reacted it was put together after lots of test in a way that makes it work best.

Perhaps this is where my testing procedure is confusing to some.

When I film, there is almost no prior testing.
I set up, start filming, and THEN test. If I see something interesting doing it, anyone watching the film is seeing it the same way I did.
It's for the 1st time.
I think that's more fun for everyone involved. This is NOT for dry scientific procedure, this is for discovery!

The more painstaking recording of things in a scientific fashion is for AFTER the discovery part to make sure it wasn't a fluke and satisfy  the types that thrive on such triviality, but I usually let people know what I'm using and show the entire build process so _I_ don't have to do it again later.
They (video viewer) know what they saw, know what was used to do it, and they can do the painstaking recording of effect when they try it.

If people want things done with more scientific procedure, they can do it.
But don't tell me I'm not doing it right because it doesn't satisfy your wants.

If you ask me, instead of telling me to, I might be inclined to do it.
But if you tell me to, you can go piss up a rope. :D

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on July 26, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
On this point I have two things to say, first the onewaygate was made as a gate to attract in and leave on a level surface and two most magnetic systems will go up and over a hill if the magnets you are using are strong enouth.
Take Care Exx
Graham 

K....my experiment was to satisfy my curiosity about lateral movement while in array.

It showed me that a wide array joining 2 thinner ones will not work as it spreads the fields too far apart so that any roller too much shorter than the array will attract to one end or the other instead of staying centered.
It also showed me that a thin array  the same length as the the 2 thin arrays joined by a thicker array that bends will keep the roller mag in it while the roller mag travels to it's end and hits the wall.
It will also resist being forced out of the track laterally so that it could perhaps use that effect to shift a weight.

This is what I was trying to do and my experiment satisfied me.

That's all it has to do. :D

I feel sorry that it didn't meet the criteria of some others, but only to the point that if they didn't like it, they don't have to watch the next one. ;)

Take care Graham
When I stop learning, plant me.

I'm already of less use than a tree.

exxcomm0n

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on July 26, 2008, 07:42:15 PM
Hi Tinsel
Great video mate and thats the way to experiment, I can't see how Exx can comment on your video when in his own words he hasn't seen it but what I saw was how to experiment properly to get a true reading.
Take Care Tinsel
Graham

Hey Graham,

I think your confused dude. I haven't commented on his video (but now I think about it, I did see one a while back he posted).

I HAVE commented on his posts and their derogatory content.

To clarify, I'm not interested in making pages of readings, I'm interested in seeing what the effect does.

If it doesn't satisfy the needs of the viewer, I'm not really worried about that as it cost them nothing.
If they want things done their way, they can pay me for it like any other job they would like done to their specifications.

:D

Take care Graham
When I stop learning, plant me.

I'm already of less use than a tree.

Rusty_Springs

Hi Exx
I have no problem with the way you experiment, I was saying two things first your experiment comfirmed the way I had the onewaygate setup in using just two magnets side by side and second I have no problem with any comment you or others have to say unless its an attack on me or if your making a comment on something you havn't seen.
I thought you was commenting on a video you said you havn't seen but if I was wrong then I'm sorry for my comment.
Take Care Exx
Graham