Roll on the 20th June

[exxcomm0n]

I have followed FE/OU/PM for a couple of years and it is an odd fascination that is akin to watching a building either under construction or being demolished even though I am neither in the construction or demolition business.
The point really is, why is Archer here? I mean he hasn't done OU either and I doubt he has the remotest chance at this point.

K then.

Do you critique the architects, engineers, and laborers of these objects of fascination too?

I'll answer your question when you answer both of mine, and not just the one you choose to.

But I hold you to no standard greater than I hold Archer as he has yet to address questions from me as well.



One done, one to go (old questions).

One newly posed.

[Bobbotov]

K then.

Do you critique the architects, engineers, and laborers of these objects of fascination too?

I'll answer your question when you answer both of mine, and not just the one you choose to.

But I hold you to no standard greater than I hold Archer as he has yet to address questions from me as well.



One done, one to go (old questions).

One newly posed.

What critique have I made?  I reiterated a question someone else posted (John Galt) about the very first device Archer said he made and then I quoted where Archer made those assertions to clarify a point.

My opinion about Archer's vainglorious chances of success is just that, an opinion.

[mbramble]

I'm not sure why this thread is turning into "if you don't have any ideas to offer, or you don't have a bunch of magnets to play with or you don't care to make some self indulgent video, you have no right to post here".  That's not a quote from anyone, just the tone some on the thread are taking.

This isn't some project where we are all working together toward some common goal.  Now, that's not saying that no one should be offering ideas where they see Archer is going off on the wrong track, or build some of his "inventions" to prove that they can be replicated.  But, that's not what this is really all about.  Archer is the one who announced he would have a working machine on the 20th of June.  It's not even about the fact that he missed his own self-imposed deadline.  But it is Archer's show -- not a community build-along.  I'm sure those who are replicating his bits and pieces are learning something.  That's all well and good but it is not the goal of this thread.  Many (most??) folks came here because they wanted to see this machine.   And Archer said he would be providing plans for a working unit. 

That's why I'm here.  I have no desire to become an expert in magnetism or the inventing of OU devices.  I came hoping to find -- at some point -- plans I could use to build one of my own.  That's what Archer said he would provide.  I'm still here because I have hopes that he will do it.  I didn't come to help build something that Archer already knows how to build, according to him.  He didn't say he was looking for input -- either ideas or money -- from anyone.  Those of you who care to provide either/both are obviously welcome as long as he is willing to accept them.  But neither of them is what this thread is about.  It's about Archer's announcement that he would show a working machine on 20 June and then provide plans for others to build it.

I don't feel as though I am 'stealing' his ideas or doing dirty deeds to try and gain his working plans (by not providing ideas, money, etc.).  That was his idea to provide them -- without any payment -- money, ideas, or replicating bits and pieces to show proof of concept.  Supposedly, according to his interview, the concept is already proven.  Archer's stated goal  "I intend to cleanse this planet of this filth and end global warming all in one day and one single action." -Archer Quinn" (Free Energy Truth website interview) is why I am here.  There are people who can't afford fuel, mortgage payments, food and electricity bills, etc., and something is having to give somewhere.  I have a neighbor who couldn't keep up and had their power turned off for non-payment.  Then the bank repossessed their home and they have moved into a rental.  But, since they were late in making electric payments, they have to come up with a pretty good chunk of change to have the power turned back on -- which they can't afford.  So, three young teenage boys are living in a house with no power in the hottest part of the year in Florida.  There are many folks who are much worse off.  If Archer would provide the plans for a working unit that could power a generator, we could build them one (and me too) and that would be one less worry on their minds.  If he has a working model and is holding out for some reason -- then I guess it his his conscience that has to deal with that.  I have no problem with someone wanting to sell their proven plans/devices if such a thing exists.  I understand that many have poured much into these devices (money, time, relationships, etc.) and I have no qualms with them getting it back (by the millions if they can work it out).  But, that wasn't Archer's plan.  I didn't put him up to making an announcement that he would provide a working device and plans to replicate it.  I doubt he made that announcement under any duress whatsoever.  It was his idea.

And, since it was his idea, he can of course back out at any time he wants.  He doesn't really owe anyone anything -- except, possibly, an update on his original announcement that says "here's what I 'promised'" or "I can't deliver what I said I could".  If he needs ideas or money, he can ask for that, too.  I think he can handle all the naysayers and 'skeptics' without some folks feeling that they have to jump in and come to his defense.  He's a grown man and he knew what kind of response there would be -- both to his announcement and the fact that he didn't produce on the date he specified. 

Back to my corner.......

[exxcomm0n]

@ Bobbo

Yup, ya got me there, as it wasn't really a question.
I admit (again) that I assumed it might be seen as relevant and was mistaken.

@ Bobbo & JohnGalt

You want to see Archer answer a few questions.
I want to see your contributions to an idea here, or a device your made, or an idea for SOMETHING.
<snip, but tag line left in cause I wanna>
Ron Paul for President
(this may be our last chance!)

This was the question I would like to pose to you now, since it wasn't really a question before.

Could I please see your contributions to an idea here, or a device your made, or an idea for SOMETHING?

I'll be posting more Tube maleficence here shortly (avi is encoding).

Thank you.

EDIT

@mbramble

Yeah, you're right, it IS turning into that.

Seems apropos since almost every one that is NOT doing that or exposing an idea about some of the concepts here just wanna bash Archer.

That's cool and all, but when did email stop working?

A few of these things may have been re-iterated here, but originated on his site.
If you have a problem with the site content, why not email the webmaster instead of hounding him here when you know he doesn't have a good track record that way?

Otherwise, we'd be happy to just talk about ideas dude.

[kude]

IMHO, for all intents and purposes, the gravity wheel, as propsed by AQ can not overcome the conservative nature of gravity. That is altering the path of the weights does not matter. The force used to move the weights up on the left side of the wheel equals the force of the weight coming down on the right side of the wheel. Unless there is some great new discovery about gravity, the gravity wheel as a class has to be to be dismissed at this time as an energy producing device.

There is a debate over magnetism, whether it is a conservative force or not. The various arrays shown show the cornservative side and sometimes they don't. Possibly worth testing further.