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Started by CLaNZeR, April 21, 2008, 11:41:56 AM

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ThothTheSecond

@purepower

wondering what your thoughts are on the following article on keelynet

http://keelynet.com/gravity/wright.htm

No I'm not trying to start something, just curious what you think.

purepower

Quote from: ThothTheSecond on August 20, 2008, 11:19:17 AM
@purepower

wondering what your thoughts are on the following article on keelynet

http://keelynet.com/gravity/wright.htm

No I'm not trying to start something, just curious what you think.

Okay, it all seems interesting, but I'm not ready to jump on that wagon until I see independet test.

Here are my thoughts:

First off, everyone should be familiar with the phrase "opposites attract." While this is true for relationships, it also has scientific truth. Opposite poles on a magnet attract (same repel) and opposite electric charges (+/-) attract (similar repel). However, applying that same principal to our current understanding of gravity and we find something different.

We are currently taught any two bodies with mass are attracted to each other. But if they are the same, why wouldn't they repel like similar poles repel? Wouldn't it logically make sence for matter-matter repel and matter-antimatter attract?

For that reason, I see the push theory having a little credibility. However, I found a few "flaws" in his concept reading the article.

He says that the sun actually pushes us onto earth. Okay, that would seem to support the push theory during the daytime when we are stuck between the sum and the earth. But what about at night? During the night, the sun would be pushing us out of the solar system, but the earth wouldn't be there to push us back. In fact, the sun and earth would both be pushing in the same direction, so wouldn't we pushed out into space every night?

He also says objects in space aren't always colliding. Actually, they are. If they didn't, gas and dust wouldn't collide and collect to make stars and planets. Instead, the universe would be an evenly divided soup of particles with no major bodies.

He also uses the fact that the universe is expanding to support his claim, and that this contradicts the Big Crunch. Actually, the two fit together quite nice using conventional gravity. It is speculated that antimatter is pushing mater furthe and further out. Eventually, the universe will grow to large to support further expansion (like a cell). All the matter will pull together into one giant black hole, and collapse under it's own mass, only to re-explode in another Big Bang. (that's the basics of what I can recall, space/astrophysics really isn't my strong hand)

Also, I just mentioned black holes, gravity super giants. If gravity is repulsive in nature, why does it "suck in" light, making it appear black? Wouldn't it just deflect light, making it a "shiney hole?" Also, why wouldn't all the particles in a black hole (or any body) just explode out under gravity (assuming the molecules are not bound together by weak nuclear forces)?

Also, think of a falling object. If it is being pushed by the sun most at it's max height, but then as it approaches earth the sun is able to push less and the earth is able to push more, wouldn't we expect to see the object slow down as it approaches earth (which isn't the case)?

That's my take...

-PurePower

ThothTheSecond

@purepower

Thank you for the response

sky

@PP

Your thoughts indicate that you didnt read the finer points of Wright's Laws. If you had read the theory you wouldn't have made a statement about people being pushed off the planet at night.

But atleast you raised a number of points which he appears to explain quite a bit better than any current physics models.

I wonder how long it took for Newtons theories to be adopted by the mainstream? I guess in another few generations quite a bit of Newtons work will be throw out in favor of more accurate and reliable theories. Either way he still deserves credit for attempting and in many cases succeeding to further our understanding of gravity.

Artist_Guy

Quote from: sky on August 20, 2008, 10:57:45 PM
@PP

Your thoughts indicate that you didnt read the finer points of Wright's Laws. If you had read the theory you wouldn't have made a statement about people being pushed off the planet at night.

But at least you raised a number of points which he appears to explain quite a bit better than any current physics models.

I wonder how long it took for Newtons theories to be adopted by the mainstream? I guess in another few generations quite a bit of Newtons work will be throw out in favor of more accurate and reliable theories. Either way he still deserves credit for attempting and in many cases succeeding to further our understanding of gravity.

Here's a different take on Wright : 

http://oddbooks.co.uk/oddbooks/wcwright.html


For the wealthier, his book 'Gravity Is A Push' is available used on Amazon for $300 , $94, $82 and $85 depending where you get it. The $300 one seems to be in the worst shape from what I can see.

It's an interesting theory, but in my view, magnets on a turntable model magnetism not gravity.

It is amazing to me that with the "wrong" basis for their formulas, JPL and NASA do very well flying Cassini all over the Saturnian system from way out here.

There is indeed some repulsive force going on out there, but Pioneer suggests things are different in other ways, given that they are apparently slowing down.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/TPS_Enables_Study_Of_Mysterious_Pioneer_Anomaly.html

As to that write-up on Keely.net, a large part of it seems to be trying to prove the he can be correct, using the outsider theory that the only revolutionary science comes from outsiders.

Something is either right or it is not. Proving you have the right to have the proof is goofy to me. And the explanation of why we are held against the surface of the earth seems suspect, with the Aether/ZPE thingie. But who knows.

More reason to be beating on the doors of GovCo. to open up all the UFO files.  :) They seem to have already beat the problem.  ;D