Roll on the 20th June

[The Eskimo Quinn]

Groooaaaaannnnn,

Hans von Lieven

what's the matter Han's too technical for you? put your money whre your mouth is, no side sniping say it works (theoretically) or it does not this way you can't change sides when it suits you, if you have yet to form an opinion or are unable to, please feel free to teach your wife that one, she's a little on the quiet side.

[hansvonlieven]

what's the matter Han's too technical for you? put your money whre your mouth is, no side sniping say it works (theoretically) or it does not this way you can't change sides when it suits you, if you have yet to form an opinion or are unable to, please feel free to teach your wife that one, she's a little on the quiet side.

The trade off Archer with leverage is distance. 10 times more weight, one tenth the distance, There is no surplus.

Too technical for you??

Hans von Lieven

[The Eskimo Quinn]

The trade off Archer with leverage is distance. 10 times more weight, one tenth the distance, There is no surplus.

Too technical for you??

Hans von Lieven

Really?? so a one ton weight wont lift a ten ton weight on an 11 metre beam with 10 metres on the one ton 1  end? and one metre on th ten ton end?

That'll be your little secret,

[zerotensor]

eg: 1 ton on the end of a lever ten metres long will move ten ton.

...but it will move it only 1/10th of the height to which you would have to lift the one ton.  To close the loop, you have to lift that ton back up again.  Sorry Quinn, no energy gain here.

I just thought of an analogy:  Levers, gears, pulleys:  all these are mechanical analogues of electrical transformers.  They take a large current at low voltage and convert it to a small current at higher voltage, or vice-versa.  Here current corresponds to the masses in motion, and voltage is analogous to the gravitational potential energy.

Placing a voltage across a transformer with a turns ratio of 10:1 won't give you free energy; neither will you realize any energy gain when utilizing a long lever or other simple machine.  You can get a *power* gain, but in that case the time or distance over which the force acts is proportionally shorter.  In any real transformer or simple machine, some energy will be lost to friction (ohmic losses) and of course, the load.

Good luck with your windmill / wave machine, anyway.

[The Eskimo Quinn]

...but it will move it only 1/10th of the height to which you would have to lift the one ton.  To close the loop, you have to lift that ton back up again.  Sorry Quinn, no energy gain here.

I just thought of an analogy:  Levers, gears, pulleys:  all these are mechanical analogues of electrical transformers.  They take a large current at low voltage and convert it to a small current at higher voltage, or vice-versa.  Here current corresponds to the masses in motion, and voltage is analogous to the gravitational potential energy.

Placing a voltage across a transformer with a turns ratio of 10:1 won't give you free energy; neither will you realize any energy gain when utilizing a long lever or other simple machine.  You can get a *power* gain, but in that case the time or distance over which the force acts is proportionally shorter.  In any real transformer or simple machine, some energy will be lost to friction (ohmic losses) and of course, the load.

Good luck with your windmill / wave machine, anyway.

here we go again the drug f  kd crew are on, lift what weight you bloody morons? it doesnt go up and down idiots, it moves like a pendulum with the axis near the top for the ocean and near the bottom for wind, it moves back and forward, the wave pushes it forward and when the blade turns sideways there is no surface left so the weight of the pendulum brings it back, there is no free energy idiots, its wave motion or wind learn to read you clowns. and distance is moot we are going for power, the distance at the top movement is the same as a standard wave level machine, get it?yet 10 times more powerful, standard machines have the paddle fixed to the top or bottom it does not have  a huge arc swing such as this.

and just for record your metaphore is bullshit, there is a gain, so you are saying ya dickhead that a man using all his strength who can't lift his car, goes and gets a lever and lifts it, there was no gain from the lever with the same power input?  That one single example has always been the ultimate proof of a set power level with and without the lever, you are a dickhead, go play else where.