Roll on the 20th June

[rlortie]

Ralph lortie here:

I have been a member of this forum for three years, 1 month and 4 days, this is my third post.  Why? because this bull crap is not worth my time.

I am 68 years of age and have been chasing gravity and magnetic designs in the hope of finding O-U since 1957.
By some I am considered acknowledged/skilled in the field.  I have seen forums come and go and have been a charter member of more than one. At one point there were 10 forums that I was a registered member of.

With each generation I see the same paths taken over and over. For those who believe this device will work I suggest you do a little background research at Yahoo Group MinatoWheel.com. Join if you must but take a look at the moderators home page called the "Flying Dutchman".

I could set here and type an endless list of reasons why this Archer Quinn thing will not work. I will not as I have done it so many times it seems fruitless. The best way to get educated is try it.  You will never free your innovative minds until you clear yoursef of any reasonable doubt.

Ralph Lortie   

[b0rg13]

OK  3 seperate electro-magnets ... at 7 O'clock to about 9 O'clock

One for each weighted rod.  This is logical because as one rod is pushed by the electro-magnetic .. you would not want the next one to be pushed the wrong way too soon.

I wonder how they are triggered... timing wise.

Did I miss this in one of the posts?

Bill

that appears to be it in a nutshell,maybe the mags at 7 to 9 are perm mags and the array at the 1 oclock end is electro and turning on only just enough to help and off so there is no sticking or locking from pull/attraction?. ( or maybe its simply not needed with the pushing array ?,.it can still move the mag/rod assembly?.

[oak]

@maw2432:

On Archer's "build" page, in the entry of "7pm 5/05/08 oz time," he said:

"you can use a mica switch for the arms as they are over the base magnet to pulse the electromagnetic or a light beam sensor like a shop door entry. The light beam would only suit a larger wheel. And the power is only used during that pulse. I use the arc system so you don?t need exact positioning over the end of the arm, you need stops at the end of the arm for the rods that are not obtrusive as the arms must almost graze the arcs."

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So, the movement of a tube end from 7 o'clock to 9 o'clock can itself be used as a mechanism to switch on the electromagnet for the period while the tube is moving from 7 to 9.

But you could also use another location for the switch.  As the tube we want to "zap" is moving from 7 to 9, another tube's end will be moving from 3 to 5 (and another will be moving from 5 to 7).  You could use one of those tube ends (at those locations) to place a switch of some kind to trigger the electromagnet for the tube moving from 7 to 9.

@ rlortie:  Thanks for the comment.  I'm sure some of us will accept your recommendation concerning "the best way to get educated."

[b0rg13]

@maw2432:

On Archer's "build" page, in the entry of "7pm 5/05/08 oz time," he said:

"you can use a mica switch for the arms as they are over the base magnet to pulse the electromagnetic or a light beam sensor like a shop door entry. The light beam would only suit a larger wheel. And the power is only used during that pulse. I use the arc system so you don?t need exact positioning over the end of the arm, you need stops at the end of the arm for the rods that are not obtrusive as the arms must almost graze the arcs."

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So, the movement of a tube end from 7 o'clock to 9 o'clock can itself be used as a mechanism to switch on the electromagnet for the period while the tube is moving from 7 to 9.

But you could also use another location for the switch.  As the tube we want to "zap" is moving from 7 to 9, another tube's end will be moving from 3 to 5 (and another will be moving from 5 to 7).  You could use one of those tube ends (at those locations) to place a switch of some kind to trigger the electromagnet for the tube moving from 7 to 9.

@ rlortie:  Thanks for the comment.  I'm sure some of us will accept your recommendation concerning "the best way to get educated."

if the zap from 7 to 9 to push is coming from an electro mag, is there not some kind of bemf that can be sent to the 1to3 to assist in the pull part?

[oak]

I don't know what you mean by "bemf," but Archer indicated that he used permanent magnets in the upper right quadrant (from a little after 12 o'clock to somewhere around 2:30 o'clock), rather than electromagnets, because permanent magnets do not require the use of power.

(He also said he believes it is possible not to use any electromagnets, but that it would be very tricky to do it and he has not done it himself.)