Roll on the 20th June

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
This maybe the next project.
I'm trying to use phyics as I know it, for instance say my magnet is 10kgs and my counter wieght is 11kgs then my magnet needs to push 1kg + friction against gravity to keep the rotation going, my magnet needs to move out at the half way point of my first overlapping magnet to repel in the right direction and with gravity + centrifugal force it should, centrifugal force if my design goes fast enough will try to keep my magnet out so the giude is needed to push the magnet back in.
Basicaly if my wieght can over come the friction the model has then one arm should move from just after 12 to about 11 and if my magnet is strong enough it should push my wiegh past 12 to start the cycle again.
I'm putting this out there to see what others thoughts maybe.
Take Care All
Graham

[sigmaX]

Hey !

There is NO WAY a turbine / wheel that needs 1ton torque, can be moved by the way archer proposed. It is like saying that there are trees and dogs in the moon: Total nonsense! I cannot believe that actually there is people that KEEP encouraging Archer?s line of tought using the wheel fallacy (I was the one that originally stated it in here as a complete ridiculous idea).

Also: If one arm is at 1 oclock and the other is at 7 oclock, and in both sides you got 900kg (or 900 TONS), THEY WILL NOT BALANCE OUT AND END BOTH IN AN HORIZONTAL PLANE (like say 3 and 9 oclock) because the actual torque forces is 0 .... and you need 1 ton (IN ONE DIRECTION).

Again, I cannot believe that there is people that actually uses a computer and logs into Internet, and in here, that cannot visualize THIS !!!!

[zerotensor]

ZERO   having said that [you piss Archer off] If you really do want to see something on June 20 th  go park your unbuilding ass [as it applies to this device ] on another thread were you can perhaps save /discourage other builders  maybe DR Stiffler Or GK    I don't know    with your talents I wouldn't know where to start   Chet [not done]   get busy man!!! your job is done here

I am looking forward to seeing your replication, chet.

Regards.. zt

[Sprocket]

Hey !

There is NO WAY a turbine / wheel that needs 1ton torque, can be moved by the way archer proposed. It is like saying that there are trees and dogs in the moon: Total nonsense! I cannot believe that actually there is people that KEEP encouraging Archer?s line of tought using the wheel fallacy (I was the one that originally stated it in here as a complete ridiculous idea).

Also: If one arm is at 1 oclock and the other is at 7 oclock, and in both sides you got 900kg (or 900 TONS), THEY WILL NOT BALANCE OUT AND END BOTH IN AN HORIZONTAL PLANE (like say 3 and 9 oclock) because the actual torque forces is 0 .... and you need 1 ton (IN ONE DIRECTION).

Again, I cannot believe that there is people that actually uses a computer and logs into Internet, and in here, that cannot visualize THIS !!!!

No point obsessing on this.  I basically agree with you but thanks to exxcomm0n's post above, I realised that although the startup torque on a balanced system may be 1 tonne, the scenario in question is not actually balanced - the 900kg weights are in the 7-1 o clock positions, so the startup torque should be considerably less than 1 tonne - how much less, I don't know, but I still don't think that an additional 100kg would be enough...

[villain]

So I thought I'd actually register and post for once after following this thread for a while.  For those that haven't noticed, AQ has returned and posted a new message on his site under the same heading "up yours" http://www.surphzup.com/gpage777.html but with new content.  So it appears that although some have pissed him off, he's still devoted to proving everyone wrong and cursing up a storm as he goes.  I, for one, am eager to see what he has to present on June 20th and will withhold judgement until such date and I wish everyone else would do the same.  Graham, stormX, Rusty_Springs ("My design is so much better"), onesnzeros, johngalt,  and all the others that lack support for whatever reason...GET OVER YOURSELF!

Too many ego's in this forum.  Regardless of whether Archer's device works or not....shouldn't we all show support to find a solution to 'FE' even if EVERYONE claims to of suddenly solved the worlds problems?  What does it really cost you?  6 hours of your life to prove/disprove their solution.  In the grand scheme of things does it really matter?  How many hours of your life have you watched TV for the sake of entertainment?

The one thing that really irritates me when reading the dialog on these forums is the so called "experts" that just spill out theory over and over again without doing jack about it.  The whole 900kg argument/example is contrived and dead already unless someone actually tests it out.  THEORY means jack to most of us and is as full of nonsense as the bible itself.  PROOF, whether waiting until the 20th of June or someone like 'oak' replicating AQ's device is what I'm patiently waiting for and hope the other freaks disappear so we can all do something constructive.

-G