Roll on the 20th June

[sigmaX]

SO here we have another flawed real life example reasoning from quinn:

1) Given a fulcrum, created with a broom stick of say 1.50 meters long,  with 5kg on one side inside a bucket, the balance point would be near the bucket. YES

2) It will suffice 250grams or less to get that bucket up ? I DONT KNOW what would be the weight threshold to make the fulcrum act, because I assume it will be necessary even to compute even the weight of the very fulcrum. Lets assume that YES it is.

3) so you kick the 250 grams out of the fulcrum and make a 5kg go down ! YES.

4) WOA! WHAT A MIRACLE ------- > NOT!   no overunity. no nothing. The distance that the 5kg bucket will move is just a litttle distance, and will be left hanging in there, attached to the fulcrum, in exact proportion the the place where the fulcrum centre is, which is near the bucket, so it wont go very far. That is: yes you can lift  5 kg with 250grams. But the 250grams side of the fulcrum will need that weight applied for a much longer distance in order to move the 5 kg bucket a little distance.

5) SO: You can move 5kg for 10cm by using a fulcrum that will accept 250grams of pressure, but you will need to apply such pressure for, say, 20 more times that distance so you move a 5kg bucket with 250grams with a fulcrum that will make you do such effort in a 2 meter arc, using, in ideal conditions, the same energy.

I can accept maybe the following: If there is any trick possible ... it would be by using magnets, and some sort of circular contraption with critical distances in the right place, and would work by conveniently displacing the fulcrum (s) center(s) of the system while working with gravity.

I just bought a bunch of neodynium magnets, and will start to try. But still enough, I am not happy with Quinn's  examples. HE is not clear enough for me. And flawed reasoning does not help a bit.

It sounds like that Argentinian Torbal Guy, that claims he has a transmagnetic generator, (HEY! NEWSFLASH: HE  REAPPLIED for his patent on last quarter of 2007! so he is still trying to scam someone with it!) At least this torbal guy actually built a mock up.  But Quinn is FAILING EVEN to present that.

Let's be real. IF IT IS SO EASY (hey I dont know how handicapped this Quinn guy could be) why doesn't he build it up in some spare hours. He has had lot?s of weeks for doing it. He states that even women!! (hah I am lucky my wife does not read this, because I know she herself would give Quinn a bit of fight on such affirmation) can build it.

I mean: please please PLEASE! You are a guy that built a free energy machine, generator TWO YEARS AGO, and dismantled it ?

if so ... Are you NUTS? You could have kept it in your basement (haha) and secretly use its power for your house!

If it is so easy to build one... (it really sounds like a couple of hour's work) ... you Quinn that got the thing 100% clear in your head... are you masochist ? for a start, you could be keeping your energy money in your pocket!!!

People, lets be real.

ALSO: let me introduce you into another concept:

This whole stuff about patenting or not patenting, or giving it for free.

IF SOMEONE invents a free energy system, and it is easy enough to be built, I will tell you what will happen: In third world countries (like where I live) ... patent would mean nothing for such a miraculous machine.

HECK! the government itself would title it "essential service" and will ban the patent concept.

GO TELL for example INDIA, THE WHOLE AFRICA, or whatever country you know people is dying from several causes that could be remedied with ENERGY (to pump water from far away, to grow food in artificial climate, etc).

SO, just for any guy that speaks of patents (this is not a message for quinn), or plans to get money out of it: You WILL NOT make money with it. It **** WILL **** be cracked open, reverse engineered and duplicated. NO PATENT will hold, on such a first necessity system.

THIS upper paragraphs I think is a bottom line / real issue that I THINK people working in free energy NEED to understand.

They will gain recognition, and even money from prizes (like the one from this forum, and of course, nobel prize etc.)

But that is it.

[sigmaX]

Now for the constructive part:

quinn writes:

"Well it was dickheads, add your 50kg until your ton weight is 5 feet up, now simply kick the 50 kg weight off the end.

fffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrkk the world as you know it just ended.

Fuck all kilowatts to lft the 5okg weight yet massive kilowatts from the falling 1 ton weight. "

holly moly what a language!

Quinn: I can see the following: IF YOU CAN MAGICALLY PLACE 50kg in one side of a fulcrum and let the 1 ton over the other side rise for 5 feet, and then magically take the 50kg away, and then as the ton falls those 5 feet,  while using that work to move a dynamo, or whatever, then you would have electricity out of gravity work.

Now lets everyone work on the magic bit: How can we place / take off the counter weight (50kg or 50 gr) so the whole system would keep going ?

One way would be by displacing it from edge to center, along the very fulcrum arm!  Quinn's answer: Magnetism. It could work.

Heck! it would not even need to be in a circular motion: A more crude example would be the fulcrum ... by placing magnets over the side / arm that carries the small counterweight for displacing the 1 ton!  a magnet on the bottom that would repell the counter weight towards the center of the fulcrum, and on the upper side, a magnet that could atract it again towards the edge, so it can start again doing the work thru the fulcrum, rising the other end ...

What I see is that we would need electromagnets, so they do not start influencing the system until everything is in the right place. I suspect that the energy needed to power electromagnets would be serious business (so it would be needed a serious weight on the opposite side, in order to move a serious generator).

Also, we could use permanent, powerfull magnets (here is another one for you Quinn) SHIELDING them until the right moment, with some bismuth or other shielding material, and rising the shield with a magnetic solenoid thingy  (like a magnetic door lock).

Sigmax.

[sigmaX]

In order to displace the weight that balances the fulcrum in the way we need, we could use FLEXINOL wires ...

They are lightweight

THey contract by virtue of heat or electricity (hey, stickito robot walks by actuating 6 legs with 1 or 2 AAA battery, so it seems to be not that power hungry)


...

better than magnets ? maybye!

[helmut]

@Helmut any news? Chet

Sorry Chet
I yust went out  for some sailing and come home today to bring some food to the pets.
So i came here and find the Forum in a mess.

I understand archer.
But Archer should not break with those,who supported his Ideas.
It would have been a simple strategie to spread the new information by email to such individuals.

And the others? Just see,that they have registred a few days ago.But i am shure some of them use to be known under another identity.
To me it is out of question,that some of this guys come undercover to destruct the gravity forum.

So Archer needs to show some strenght and stability.

After the summer vaccation i will continue my work on the big frame.
Then i can test a lot of concepts.
One  will be the known as fuelles-Gravity engine.I have find a improvement on the actuator arm.
And it was archers statement,that make me thinking and cause the new concept.

But at the end of next week,my boating time is over and i will continue the test
at the small setup.
(Pics)
Keep the forum running Chet

p.s.: No grace with forums terrorists

helmut

[legendre]

SO here we have another flawed real life example reasoning from quinn: (...)

It wasn't pretty, but I managed to force myself to read through this latest message on the 'Up yours' link.. His ramblings about teeter-totters and whatnot are possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read in the FE/OU physics realm. And I say this, having read much of ltseung's commentary.

In his ridiculous balance-related ramblings, Archer (or Kevin, or whatever his name is) doesn't understand (among other things) the difference between weight and mass. In the example of the teeter-totter with the 1 tonne weight on each end, adding a 1 kilo weight to one side results in 1 tonne + 1 kilo falling, resulting in 1 tonne rising. When settled, 1 kilo of weight has come to bear on the ground. In this process, 2 tonnes of mass are displaced, or shifted - 1 tonne rising, as the other tonne falls. Total potential energy in the system (each tonne at equal height, or one at ground level and the other at double height) does not change in this process.. same energy as was stored when the 2 1-tonne weights were placed on the beam.

To make this easier to think about, replace the teeter-totter with a turntable bearing two 1 tonne weights on the edge, 180' apart. Assuming your bearing is good, you can leisurely lean against one of the weights, and the table will begin to slowly rotate.. after shifting your position, and doing more leaning, you've just moved 2 tonnes some notable distance - and you barely did any work at all, not enough to even notice! This must defy physics! Free Energy for Everyone from here on out!

I also particularly enjoyed one of his recently deleted rants about taping quarter-dollars to wheels. He pointed out that taping a quarter to a bicycle wheel will cause the wheel to rotate, as the weight falls to bottom center - but taping the same quarter to an automotive wheel results in no movement.. a fact which he attributed to - now get this - the weight of the wheel. Of course, the weight (or mass) of the wheel is irrelevant - what is relevant is the static friction of the automotive hub.. which the force of gravity acting on the quarter is insufficient to overcome. Remove the hub's grease seal, replace the grease with thin TFE oil, and the quarter will probably be able to overcome friction and set the wheel into (slow) motion - that is, assuming the wheel is very finely balanced.

In short, I'm not sure why anyone would expend their time & energy trying to replicate a device which was purportedly designed by a person with such an appallingly twisted grasp of physics - and based on this same set of deeply flawed principles.

Mad as a bag of badgers

-L