David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device

[tinman]

SeaMonkey,
I remember the names of all the people who said that wasn't possible, but refused to test it. They will get coal in their stockings instead of answers. But that is only the beginning of what we have learned about how to use this system. We haven't dumped everything out there because nobody would believe us when we said THIS much of it worked, so have had no reason to share the rest. We know how to SIGNIFICANTLY extend those run times. Whether or not something can be built that will run forever has yet to be determined. Forever isn't here yet and we are far from done. But when you understand how LOOOOOOOOOONG those run times can be, and realize you can use the motor to turn a generator, suddenly you have a system that runs on virtually NOTHING and produces power. That is the advantage of this circuit connected to Matt's modified motor.

That is a perfect description of the basic system as shown by Luc, and even of the system with the pulse motor. All we EVER claimed out of that system was that you could get extended run times.

This is the one claim i am interested in
Quote post 141 in this thread-->If you read my description of my first experiment again, you will see that when I first flipped the switch, NOTHING happened. The motor did not run. I sat around for 15 or 20 minutes talking to a friend, and suddenly the motor started. It ran until all three batteries were fully charged, and then it SHUT ITSELF OFF.

This is the original setup-correct Dave?
This is the one i would like to get up and running--runs until all 3 batteries are fully charged.

As the circuit was very simple,and provided by your self Dave--how and why exactly did the motor shut it self off,once the batteries were fully charged?,as there would have been a 12 volt potential across the motor,if we assume that each battery voltage value is 12 volts.


Brad

[Dbowling]

Brad,
Here is exactly what happened.
When we first threw the switch, nothing happened. Ten to fifteen minutes later the motor suddenly started up. The voltage on the bad battery would jump to 24 volts. It would go down to about 18 volts, and then the motor would slowly start and begin to run, speeding up gradually. The voltage would continue to drop down to around nine volts, at which time the motor would suddenly shut off and the voltage would immediately jump back to 24 volts and the cycle would repeat. [/size]To try and get the system to keep from shutting off, I ASSUMED I needed to keep the battery in the third position from becoming charged, so I began to hook loads to it. I used an inverter and powered all kinds of loads, balancing the load on battery three by putting an additional LOAD ON THE MOTOR. It did amazing things. Then it quit, or I killed it somehow by taking it apart.


My assumption was that it shut off because battery 3 was charging, but once the system shut off, battery 3 (the bad battery we tried to charge before we started, which WOULD charge up, but wouldn't hold it) wouldn't hold charge. SO when the charge dropped, the system started up again. OVER AND OVER for an entire day before we started putting loads on battery 3/


Have seen this same thing happen with other batteries in the third position for a short time until the battery "repaired" itself, and then quit. But can't get that effect to last or figure out WHY. SO have given up on that.

[TinselKoala]

...

The exact amount of power can be accurately calculated in this system.

...
Brad

Well said, Brad ! (And I hope your post doesn't disappear this time....        )

[ramset]

Good to read Farmhand is still about.[even better to See Minnie around ]

To those not building here who are just watching and  concerned?
please don't be.
its not your time its not your money ..[obviously not talking to Brad the builder here] .if you don't like what you see
change the channel.

there is absolutely NOTHING that will stop these investigations .

Luc received Carroll's hand wound Matt motor today and Slyder will be running thru the Arduino code and circuits so-as to automate and data log all the important data ..[everything will be shared at the forums when the vetting is done.

the real tests are about to begin...
and Luc is having a good time .

also a side note, Duncan is traveling next week but when he gets back ,he is going to see if he can repeat his battery Frost event for the camera.

all good stuff IMO

Chet

[tinman]

Brad,
Here is exactly what happened.
When we first threw the switch, nothing happened. Ten to fifteen minutes later the motor suddenly started up. The voltage on the bad battery would jump to 24 volts. It would go down to about 18 volts, and then the motor would slowly start and begin to run, speeding up gradually. The voltage would continue to drop down to around nine volts, at which time the motor would suddenly shut off and the voltage would immediately jump back to 24 volts and the cycle would repeat. [/size]To try and get the system to keep from shutting off, I ASSUMED I needed to keep the battery in the third position from becoming charged, so I began to hook loads to it. I used an inverter and powered all kinds of loads, balancing the load on battery three by putting an additional LOAD ON THE MOTOR. It did amazing things. Then it quit, or I killed it somehow by taking it apart.


My assumption was that it shut off because battery 3 was charging, but once the system shut off, battery 3 (the bad battery we tried to charge before we started, which WOULD charge up, but wouldn't hold it) wouldn't hold charge. SO when the charge dropped, the system started up again. OVER AND OVER for an entire day before we started putting loads on battery 3/


Have seen this same thing happen with other batteries in the third position for a short time until the battery "repaired" itself, and then quit. But can't get that effect to last or figure out WHY. SO have given up on that.

Ah,ok.

Well there are a few things that can cause this effect.

As your battery kept suddenly falling back to a non charged state,i would think that the battery had a bad/broken cell.
When it started taking a charge,lead oxide could have bridged the gap in the broken cell for a short period. Once the battery started taking a charge,the internal resistance of the battery would have started to drop,and at a certain value,the motor would have started to run.
As the charge state of the battery increased,the internal resistance of the battery decreased,and the motor would speed up.
At one point,the current flow through the battery would have gotten to a point where it simply burnt the lead oxide bridge between the broken cell's--like a fuse going pop when too much current is sent through it.
Once the bridge is broken,the motor would have stopped,and the battery would once again appear to be totally discharged.

Once the fluid in the battery settled,the lead oxide would once again form a bridge across the broken cell,and the process would start all over again.

The reason this would work with very few batteries,is because it would be like a 1 in 100 chance of finding a battery with a broken cell,where the break was such that the lead oxide could bridge it in such a way.

If you have such a battery,that wont take a charge,raise it a foot or so above solid ground,and drop it on the ground.
Once again,put your battery charger on it,and see if it takes a charge.

This is just a simple test to see if you do have a broken cell.


Brad