David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device

[ramset]

Quick note to Dr.Jones

The selfless men here and elsewhere who share their hard work and spend  their hard earned money  need the most thanks ,
and they do this at no charge to the community , their reward is the hope for a better planet.

and just a note to one of those men
Brad
Carroll was most likely rushing when he read your post, he has had unbelievable stress and personal issues in his life the last year or more ,and still keeps trying to help out here, including sending a Motor to Luc for testing.

he was traveling thru most of the recent issues at the other forum

I know he just got back from a 1600 mile road trip a cpl days ago and is turning around to leave again tomorrow AM to do it all over again.[due to a family crisis ]

Carroll is a wonderful fellow too...

this will all work out for the good

please try to understand ,

respectfully
Chet K

[Dbowling]

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I had already thought of that and tried it, but it didn't post and everything locked up. Will try it once more.


Brad,
How did I get to the 60 watt hours per battery? I went by the load test LUC did on those batteries prior to beginning this test, which he talks about in his first video. Those are HIS numbers not mine. Two were at 60 and one at 53 BEFORE he drained it for testing.


I ABSOLUTELY objected to the test that Luc is running. I was VERY, VERY upset. He did two videos  a year ago, debunking this system  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph4chWT3Ap0&t=2s  (watch from about 8 minutes in as he reports results)
NOT using the right size batteries and NOT using the right kind of motor and NOT rotating the batteries. The only change he made is that in THIS test he rotated the batteries. I felt that by NOT replicating the system the way it works ALL the time, he ran a risk of testing a system that WOULD NOT WORK and sharing results that did NOTHING but reinforce the people who have said this is crap for the last ten years. I figured the odds of THAT system working were no better than 50/50, and it pissed me off that ONCE AGAIN I was about to be debunked by someone who wouldn't DO what we have been telling people to do. So YES my tune changed when I could see that it was going to give the results I know it has the potential to give. But what if it hadn't? Would I once again be trying to defend myself from a bunch of people who claim I am WRONG because "THEY KNOW" from their "GREAT EXPERIENCE" that this won't work? You BET I would. And I believe I have the absolute RIGHT to be upset when someone leaves out MOST of the things you know make a system work, and then claims that they are replicating what you have done. That has happened to me over and over and over to the point I have little to NO patience with folks anymore. I am WAY beyond this little 3 Battery setup in my experiments, and ready to bring some things to market. It is several steps backward to even MESS with this, and I don't have the time. But I DO care about folks out there and I honestly believe that this will set people on a path to some of the things I have seen.


Yes, I locked the thread on Energetic forum, have pretty much said goodbye on Luc's thread, and am about done here as well. I have an opportunity to make some money off the things I have learned so that my wife can retire, and I intend to take advantage of it. I have made commitments to some folks I will honor, but I do not have the time to spend on the forums. I had minor surgery on my foot, so I have been laying around for about a week or I wouldn't be here NOW.
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    I HAVE attempted to share this information with folks on other forums, and here is my latest response:[/font]     
I prefer to stick with those boring old laws of thermodynamics, somewhat supported by the fact that no over unity device has ever made it into common usage, something that would certainly have happened if they actually worked. There is no suppressed knowledge, there are more than enough independent millionaires to bring this stuff out if it were ever possible. I am also reasonably confident that electricity works pretty much exactly as we think it does. A heat pump is not an 'over unity' device, it relies on the fact that wherever there is a usuable energy gradient, some power can be extracted in a usable form. A typical heat gradient device might be a Stirling cycle engine.[/size]

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    I hope folks will follow what Luc has done and will do, and that it convinces a few to follow in his footsteps. He is a better man than I. I would not waste the days it took to do the testing. I believe folks have the responsibility to do it on their own. Or they get what they deserve. I've gotten real cranky in my old age.[/font]

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[gotoluc]

The only change he made is that in THIS test he rotated the batteries.

Hi Dave

I made more changes to my new test then just rotating the batteries.

1. Used two new fully charged batteries on the input
2. Load tested each battery several time to know their watt/hr capacity
3. Made sure the motor I selected would not exceed the battery C/20 rating which is 0.25 Amps. The motor used even less (0.15 Amp average)
4. Yes, I also rotated the batteries


I agree that the test I did last year which BTW was not intended as direct replication of your work, did not use a good combination of components to prove what I'm now seeing since I tried to do it in a short video which now I can see is not possible.
Once all the tests are done and all is confirmed I intend to delete those two video I made last year and make a new video with all the new test data at high speed so you see it in 5 minute or so.

Things look to only be getting better.

Regards

Luc

[Dbowling]

Luc,
I appreciate that you are getting good results and are publishing the data for everyone to see, and I am feeling vindicated by the whole process. However, I would still encourage anybody building this to do it with bigger batteries and a pulse motor. I would hate to see it NOT WORK and have people think this is not for real. THAT is my biggest concern.


Brad,
Here is the statement Luc made that Matt and I took exception to, and now that I am a little calmer about this, maybe I can get across to you WHY we did not agree with what Luc said. It concerns the statement he made about measurements, which YOU defended. You guys have to realize you are dealing with something a little different here and standard measurement methods can be deceiving. His statement is below. The part that most concerned us of Luc's, i put in bold. The statements in CAPS are mine


     If battery 1 & 2 are connected in series and are 12 volts each = 24 volts and the current is measured at 1 amp = 24 watts entering the motor and if battery 3 is at 12 volts and the current entering it is measured at 1 amp = 12 watts entering battery 3.[/font]

So if we have 24 watts coming out from input batteries and 12 watts going in the charge battery it means half of the input power is being used by the motor and potentially half recovered by the charge battery.

24 WATTS IS GOING INTO THE MOTOR AND IT IS CONSUMING 12. REALLY? I DON'T THINK SO, OR LUC WOULD NOT BE GETTING THE RESULTS HE IS GETTING. HARDLY ANYTHING IS CONSUMED BY THE MOTOR. THERE IS ONLY 12 WATTS AVAILABLE TO THE MOTOR. THE OTHER 12 WATTS+ THAT COMES OUT OF THE CHARGE BATTERIES IS NEUTRALIZED BY THE 12 WATTS+ COMING OUT OF BATTERY 3. CAN THIS BE PROVEN? SURE!!! TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. TAKE YOUR TWO BATTERIES IN SERIES AND CONNECT YOUR MOTOR ACROSS THEM AND MEASURE THE RPM. NOW RUN YOUR MOTOR ON JUST ONE OF THEM AND MEASURE THE RPM. THEN PUT THE SYSTEM BACK TOGETHER AND MEASURE THE RPM OF THE MOTOR RUNNING BETWEEN THE POSITIVES. WHAT IS ITS RPM NOW? IS IT RUNNING ON 24 WATTS OR 12 WATTS? A MOTOR RUNS ON WHATEVER GOES INTO IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE SOME MAGIC BYPASS CIRCUIT THAT ALLOW HALF THE WATTS TO GO ON THROUGH WITHOUT AFFECTING THE MOTOR AT ALL. THIS IS ALL STANDARD ELECTRICAL STUFF, NOT VOODOO MAGIC.
HERE IS THE SECOND WAY OF PROVING THIS AND IT IS WHAT MATT IS TALKING ABOUT. (I WATCH AND LISTEN MATT, AND I HAVE LEARNED A THING OR TWO FROM YOU) IF YOU HAVE A 12 VOLT BATTERY AND YOU WANT TO MEASURE THE VOLTAGE IN IT, YOU DO NOT TAKE THE TOP OFF AND MEASURE ACROSS FIVE OF THE 6 TWO VOLT SECTIONS INSIDE. YOU MEASURE ACROSS ALL OF THEM. THAT TELLS YOU THE VOLTAGE AVAILABLE IN THE SYSTEM. WHEN YOU PUT TWO 12 VOLT BATTERIES IN SERIES, HOW DO YOU MEASURE THEM? BECAUSE THE TWO BATTERIES ARE CONNECTED IN THE MIDDLE. YOU MEASURE FROM THE POSITIVE OF ONE TO THE NEGATIVE OF THE OTHER. BECAUSE THEY ARE CONNECTED, THEY HAVE BECOME ESSENTIALLY ONE BATTERY. HOW WOULD YOU MEASURE THREE BATTERIES IN SERIES? THE SAME WAY, RIGHT? IT IS THE SAME WITH THE THREE BATTERIES THAT ARE IN SERIES HERE, EVEN IF ONE IS IN SERIES BACKWARDS. SO YOU WANT TO KNOW THE WATTS THE MOTOR IS RECEIVING? ?? TAKE THE MOTOR OUT AND PUT YOUR METER BETWEEN THE TWO POSITIVES. CONNECT IT EITHER WAY. ONE WAY IT READS POSITIVE 12 AND THE OTHER WAY IT READS NEGATIVE 12. SO WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU IS AVAILABLE TO THE MOTOR??? IF YOU REPLACE THE METER WITH A MOTOR DO YOU THINK THAT NUMBER IS MAGICALLY GOING TO JUMP TO 24 ON ONE SIDE OF THE MOTOR BUT STAY AT 12 ON THE OTHER SIDE. I DON'T THINK SO TIM.
WE SAY 12 WATTS. YOU SAID 24 WATTS. WHO IS CORRECT?  WE DIDN'T DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THE NUMBERS THAT WERE SHOWING ON LUC'S METER, AND I SAID THAT AT THE TIME. WHAT WE DISAGREED WITH WAS WHAT LUC SAID THOSE NUMBERS WERE SHOWING AND THE WAY HE WAS MEASURING THE SYSTEM.[/font]
ONLY 12 WATTS IS AVAILABLE TO THE MOTOR. PERIOD. THAT IS WHY WE SAID THE MEASUREMENT IS WRONG AND THAT LUC DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO MEASURE THIS SYSTEM CORRECTLY.  AND IF WE ARE CORRECT, AND NOT LUC, THEN THE NUMBERS USED IN ALL THE CALCULATIONS BELOW ARE AUTOMATICALLY INCORRECT. THATS WHY I TOOK EXCEPTION TO ALL OF THE CALCULATIONS BELOW.
However, the motor has converted part of those 12 watts to mechanical power and at best 80% if it is available at the motor shaft which means we have about 9.6 watts in mechanical power at the motor shaft which we can recover back to electrical if we attach a generator to it and can recover at best 80% if it = 7.7 watts and add it to the charge battery which gives a potential total of 19.7 watts recovered from the 24 watts put into the system. HOW MANY WATTS WERE PUT INTO THE MOTOR?



NO MORE CAPS
Nobody on these forums has spent the time that Matt and I have spent with this system since I first brought it to this forum many moons ago. Matt has analyzed the batteries with a pretty expensive battery analyzer. I did the same at the university, but then settled for a much less expensive battery analyzer that I got from Harbor Freight. It measures the things I NEED to know to keep me from ruining any more batteries. We know what we are talking about. We have measured this thing upside down and sideways THOUSANDS of times. I hope my explanations here made sense. If not, you can continue to believe what you want to believe. It's your life. But until you UNDERSTAND what is going on, you will have a hard time applying these principles to other things, and that's where it really gets exciting.

[SeaMonkey]

The "Three Battery System" is actually quite simple.

Two batteries are series connected to deliver power
to a "load" motor which is series connected with the
third battery whose polarity is configured within the
loop such that it receives "charge" from the "load"
current.  Its polarity opposes the source pair polarity
within the series circuit loop.

The Load will have applied to it the Voltage Difference
between the Source Pair of Batteries and the Opposing
Battery No. 3.

The "load" is a device such as an electrical motor
which has been "optimized" to produce pulsations
as it draws load current from the source battery
series pair.  These pulsations are augmented by
brief inductive discharge pulses from the optimized
load motor as it rotates;  the pulses are beneficial
to battery No. 3 as it is being charged.

As the source battery pair discharges they provide
power to both the "load motor" and the "charging
third battery."  Once the source pair has discharged
sufficiently the weaker of the two is replaced by
swapping it with the "charged" third battery and
operation resumed.

Is there actually any "overunity" or any other kind of
"magic" going on with this circuit?  No.

Is energy that might otherwise be "wasted" being
recovered and applied to the "charging" battery
No. 3?  Yes.

There is also the well known (actually by design) ability
of the lead acid battery to increase its ampere hour
rating as it is cycled through several charge-discharge
operations.  Most lead acid batteries experience an
approximately 30% increase in capacity as they are used.
This is due to the composition of the plates "forming"
more active material with each discharge-charge cycle.
It has to do with how the plates are manufactured and
the "paste" which fills the plate grids not being fully
activated at the time of manufacture.

As the lead acid battery gains capacity during use it
may appear to the inexperienced that some mysterious
"overunity" has come into the picture.  In reality, it is a
completely "normal" event.

Solar Photo-Voltaic Panels have become quite inexpensive
and are truly devices which are capable of producing nearly
free "overunity" electrical energy.  Lead Acid Batteries are
still excellent storage devices to capture the Sun provided
electrical energy for use later when the Sun is out of view.

In the meantime is there any waste of time associated with
evaluating the Three Battery System?  Not at all!  As Luc is
demonstrating with his trials there is much to learn and
seeing how things work with our own eyes is an invaluable
learning experience.  Provided of course that we are able
to truly comprehend what is being seen.

24 WATTS IS GOING INTO THE MOTOR AND IT IS CONSUMING 12. REALLY? I DON'T THINK SO, OR LUC WOULD NOT BE GETTING THE RESULTS HE IS GETTING. HARDLY ANYTHING IS CONSUMED BY THE MOTOR. THERE IS ONLY 12 WATTS AVAILABLE TO THE MOTOR. THE OTHER 12 WATTS+ THAT COMES OUT OF THE CHARGE BATTERIES IS NEUTRALIZED BY THE 12 WATTS+ COMING OUT OF BATTERY 3.

The thought that Battery No. 3 is "neutralizing"
12 watts by power coming out of it is certainly
an unorthodox view.  I'll leave it to others to
comment on.  I suspect that in time, Dbowling
will come to realize his error in thinking.