Cancer cure, but FDA and doctors would rather have your cash and not the cure.

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Here is some very detailed info about b-17 including statements that its totally nontoxic and that white bread is 70 times more toxic than b-17.More mice died on white bread and none died on the b-17.http://users.navi.net/~rsc/krebs3.htm

For those who can't be bothered following that link. The page it leads to contains a summary of a talk given in 1970 by Ernst Theodor Krebs, Jr. who is described below -

"...A noted biochemist, Ernst Krebs, Jr. took his student work at Hahnemann Medical College in Philadelphia 1938-41. He received his AB at the University of Illinois in 1942; he did graduate work at the University of California during 1943-45, researching in pharmacology during the periods of 1942-45. He is science director of the John Beard Memorial Foundation, having held this position since 1946. He is the author of "Unitarian or Trophoblastic Thesis of Cancer" (1950); co-discoverer of pangamic acid (1948), the role of pancreatic enzymes in human cancer (1948-50), and the relevance of the nitrilosides (Vitamin B-17) to animal and human nutrition.

This paper is a summary of remarks presented in German before a congress of the International Medical Society for Blood and Tumor Disease, Nov. 7, 1970, in Baden-Baden, West Germany. On this occasion, the author received an award honoring his discovery and research on vitamin B-15 (pangamic acid) and vitamin B-17 (nitriloside)..."

Here are some excerpts from the summary -

"...Vitamin B-17 (nitriloside) is a designation proposed to include a large group of water-soluble, essentially non-toxic, sugary, compounds found in over 800 plants, many of which are edible..."

"...One of the most common nitrilosides (B-17 bearing substances) is amygdalin. This nitriloside occurs in the kernels of seeds of practically all fruits. The seeds of apples, apricots, cherries, peaches, plums, nectarines, and the like carry this factor; often in the extraordinary concentration of 2 to 3 per cent..."

"...As already mentioned, vitamin B-17 (Laetrile) is totally non-toxic. Its lethal dose in mice and rats, by injection, is about 25,000 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. It is so nearly non-toxic that in some studies the water, used as a diluent, presents a greater toxicity than the vitamin. This applies for acute, subacute and chronic toxicity. By mouth, in test animals it is less than 1/20 as toxic as aspirin...it is no more toxic than dextrose or ascorbic acid..."

"...Let us in summary simplify all this in terms of vitamin action. When vitamin B-17 enters the body (in foods, for example), it is hydrolyzed only to a very slight degree by body or somatic cells. This is obvious from the non-toxicity shown by B-17. But even if some of the B-17 is hydrolyzed by body or somatic cells, the very high concentration of the enzyme rhodanese in these cells converts the HCN immediately to relatively non-toxic thiocyanate. (This accounts largely for the thiocyanate that you find in blood, urine, saliva, etc., as stated above).

How different it is with the neoplastic cell! It contains great quantities of Beta-glycosidase. Fischman and many others in America have independently shown this in the case of Beta-glucuronidase. Sometimes there is over 1,000 times as much of this Beta-glycosidase as in the contiguous normal or body cell. The neoplastic cell is almost completely deficient in the enzyme rhodanese. Recall that when B-17 reaches the cancer cell the Beta-glycosidase there hydrolyzes it with the release of extremely large quantities of cyanide (relative to the situation in normal body cells). This selective effect occurs in a cell that is almost totally deficient in the enzyme rhodanese, which in normal body cells is present to detoxify cyanide to thiocyanate. Thus the end result of the presence of one enzyme that causes the selective release of hydrogen cyanide in cancer cells, plus an oxidative deficiency (fermentative metabolism) that causes a lag in benzaldehyde oxidation to benzoic acid, is the selective persistence of free or undetoxified cyanide plus free or unoxidized benzaldehyde which synergistically exert their selective antineoplastic effect..."

"...Because of our cultural antipathy to cyanide, our food technology has made every conceivable effort through processing, hybridizing, distilling, etc., to remove every trace of derivable cyanide from foods for man and animals. It is good that this irrationality has not to date, at least, completely removed the cyanide-containing vitamin B-12 or cyanocobalamin..."

"...Finally, let me conclude with this. In nitriloside or vitamin B-17 we have a new vitamin in which all of us are severely deficient. This fact is beyond question. As to the clinical application of vitamin B-17 (nitriloside) in human and animal cancer, we feel that every case is morally entitled to whatever vitamin B-17 can offer, just as every being stricken with scurvy, pellagra, or pernicious anemia is morally entitled, respectively, to vitamin C, niacin, vitamin B-12 and folic acid. Indeed, the matter goes far beyond clinical cancer itself. Mankind can not afford any longer a human and animal population deficient in vitamin C, vitamin B-12, vitamin B-15, vitamin B-17 or any other vitamin essential to animal or human nutrition..."

"...However, the capacity of political power for stupidity is truly infinite. We can not predict how long the orderly clinical study of crystalline vitamin B-17 will be delayed. But take some comfort in this. Were vitamin B-12 and folic acid completely proscribed tomorrow, liver would still offer complete salvation in pernicious anemia. Similarly, one gram of defatted apricot seed or kernel carries about 30 milligrams of nitriloside. Six or seven teaspoonful will supply what our clinical investigators consider an adequate oral dose--one gram. It is best that the B-glucosidase enzyme be completely heat inactivated in such material..."

"...so we find that the nitriloside isolated and identified over a century ago in Germany likewise is now achieving the status of a vitamin--vitamin B-17. Let us hope that like niacin it has at last left the chemical museum to serve the impelling needs of improved nutrition..."

I read all that, and was looking at vitamin B-17 more as a vitamin and not a drug, as something that used to be a more common part of our natural diet, but which has now become un-naturally lacking in the things we've 'chosen' to eat, and was thinking sure, must be good.

But, then I looked at this page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdalin and the references linked within it, which contradict pretty much everything stated above.   

Again, it's up to the individual how they choose to see the truth in these matters and how they choose to act on that.

What I need is a way to counter all these grains of salt I have to keep taking with every bit of official and alternative information I find.  With so much bullshit dished up by the authorities and those who oppose them, I get the feeling the real point gets missed altogether more often than not.




 

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I prefer to trust the chemists who are not being paid by big corporations or political parties.By experimenting on myself a little(I have a BS in chemistry).Maybe I can learn "the truth" which is what I want in the first place.I have had no ill effects from eating apple seeds.I don't know about peach seeds.They may contain tannic acid which is what the leaves of the tree contain.Tannic acid is not Vitamin b-17.I will not know until I try them.I do know that radiation and chemo have an over 90% kill rate.triffid

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I really am surprised that the tobacco companies have not hit upon B-17 as a way to keep their customers that they lose to lung cancer every year alive for continued profits.triffid

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At this point I will recommend everyone eat the apple seeds.Seeing how cheap they are to get.Seeing how we have had apples for hundreds of years.triffid



I do not like the baking soda treatment.It may work.Maybe drinking soda water from a bottle would  it more acceptable?Also more expensive.

[triffid]

http://www.waiworld.com/waisays/index.html

The Wai sites are the result of doing research for a book. Originally we were just doing research about the relation between diet and the skin, but the more scientific studies we read (mostly financed by pharmaceutical companies), the more we discovered that 'they' very well know the causes of major diseases, which they publicly pretend not to know.

The reason is that those studies are financed for one reason only: to make money. These pharmaceutical companies are not there to make us healthier, they are just there to make money, by 'exploring pharmaceutical solutions'. They don’t want you to know the causes of diseases and prevent them, they just want you to buy their drugs. And since these are commercial companies, it would be unfair to expect any differently.

The problem is, however, that our healthcare system relies on findings from such scientific studies, mostly financed by pharmaceutical companies, either directly or indirectly (sponsoring of universities). This system is therefore 'designed' to make us more dependent on drugs than to prevent disease.

Do we want that?