HHO as the only fuel (Brown's Gas) creates Vaccum

[zenarrow]

I wont say alot here about it, as it's past 4am now.
It came to me tonight, and I was almost in a trance of deep thought putting it together.

I have an image to upload. It is from a few ideas of the Hydrogen Fuel cell with the motor cycle ENV. But unlike theirs this also uses a self charging system, but allows for removal the the CELL UNIT to be maintained, while replaced by another charged up ready to go.

When I have some sleep I will post more information about how it works.
I think it really is something worthy exploring.
Brown's gas I read about in the 80's. He used it as a torch to weld an iron bar and a brick together, and could run his hand through the flame with water condensing on the surface of his hand.
When it ignited in a cylinder, it turned to water. And in fact sucked the pistons. So instead of firing near Top Dead Centre, the pistons needed to fire near Bottom Dead Centre. The exhaust was water, so needed to be drained off (at least in my mind when I read about it) meaning the engine would have to be mounted upside down (but it might come out under the pressure or some other way) indead of inverting the whole design of the engine. Likewise the intake would have to be before the piston when down, so also be near TDC, with clearence for the valves of course.

This came to me when examining ZeroFossilFuel's youtube videos about making your on HHO as an additive to the engine. The rates of 3 litres a minute seemed large to me. So I did some calcs on a spread sheet to get a ball park figure for around 16 miles a gallon gasoline (petrol where I come from). Roughly speaking 15 miles per gallon worked out to be about 0.25 litres a minute. This meant that 2.5 litres of HHO was being wasted if it could do the same job if injected as proper fuel. This means that the current needed, which was some astronomical amount aover 30 amps, could not be less than 1/10th for efficiency. So 3 amps is very doable as a standard car accessory. And makes it all seem so easy to fit together. Of course the cams need to be redone, the EFI and other circuitry and sensors designed and tweaked for best mixtures and quantities for supply and demand. And the low pressure resevoir I have there is just to act like a capaciter does, to filter the lumps of the flow as it were. So if supply fall behind demand, there is at least 10 seconds or so worth to keep it going.

So heres the image...


cheers

ZenArrow

[z.monkey]

Howdy ZenArrow,

Implosion Engine huh?  Excellent Idea!  I can see how these epiphanies are coming out of the woodwork.  The information is being distributed mentally and when we receive our particular mission it is given to us in a dream, an epiphany, or revelation.  I usually get epiphanies when I am doing strenuous labor, like yard work.

A two stoke motor would work good as a implosion engine.  On the intake stroke the HHO is drawn into the cylinder.  Just after the BDC mark the plug fires, the implosion occurs, and the piston is drawn to the cylinder head.  Around TDC a special valve opens momentarily and drains the water out of the inverted cylinder.  Then the intake valve opens again to draw in more HHO.  Genius!

There might be a better way to this.  The reciprocating engine is fairly inefficient, if you could figure out a way to do this with a turbine you could produce more power per pound.  Like if you were to take a gas turbine electric generator and convert it to do HHO implosion.  Like say move the igniters from what is normally the combustion chamber to south of the turbo section.  This way the implosion is happening on the other side of the turbo from where the explosion normally is.  This would suck air through the turbo to drive the compressor.

Good Idea Zen Arrow!

Blessed Be Brother...

[Jokker]

There is too much told 
Too much text to read so i cant get whole idea.

Also u should tell about pressure in intake, coz liquid H2 is 778 times x dense that gas H2.
I cant still get why u need ENV system... But i guess its due engine work cycle and increasing effectivity.

I guess it is useless reply 

[zenarrow]

Also u should tell about pressure in intake, coz liquid H2 is 778 times x dense that gas H2.
I cant still get why u need ENV system... But i guess its due engine work cycle and increasing effectivity.

The ENV refers the the motorcycle, as I saw on Beyond Tomorrow, TV show in Australia, which used to be called Towards 2000, and then Beyond 2000. LOL. it evolves

Here is a link to the cycle. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8228479/.

I am not sure if it is vacuum implosion or not. I loved the idea of it when I saw it a couple of years ago, and thought it would be great around the city where I live. (My old GSX750 is having some age problems and needs something to keep it young again, maybe some hydrogen HHO )

The ENV has a cell which is removable, but it is rather large.

It seems to me my idea diagram above, is similar, but their is to keep things light, and to make money from filling it with hydrogen. Actually my original impression was it was an electric bike, based on electricity from a hydrogen cell input. But I am not sure on that.

My concepts came together with knowledge from the old Grass Roots magazine in Australia in the 80's had an article on Dr Brown, (I think he had German roots) and Brown's gas. In fact most of the idea is his as he was achieveing the implosion engine (from memory). This gas turns back into water when ignited and needs to drain off. (at least that is the idea in my memory). My mind seems to start creating imaginations from inputs, which is probably not uncommon in this environment of people here. At school it gets you beat up. lol.

Brown was saying that most people who work on water and splitting H and O end up with explosions. He said the most stable combination was as HHO, and it could stand some compression storage. But still was the most unstable part with great hazard potential.

I will do a proper addition to my original post of explanation.
Hey these days youtube is also a great way to express ideas. I love the visual aids factor.
ZeroFossilFuel has some great videos of his step by step procedures for DYI HHO and others.

Cheers

ZenArrow

[zenarrow]

A two stoke motor would work good as a implosion engine.  On the intake stroke the HHO is drawn into the cylinder.  Just after the BDC mark the plug fires, the implosion occurs, and the piston is drawn to the cylinder head.  Around TDC a special valve opens momentarily and drains the water out of the inverted cylinder.  Then the intake valve opens again to draw in more HHO.  Genius!

I think the CAM modifications to a 4 stroke engine would also need to include the cog ratio's of the chain driven cams. With double overhead cams (DOHC) common these days (my old GSX750 might become a prototype yet ) this means it is easy to modify than doing a cam from scratch. As the intake and outlet cams are separate and can be positioned. The cog mod would be to make it into a 2 stroke engine using a standard 4 stroke.

There is a lot of toying with this idea yet. But I do believe the principle is sound.

To reiterate the principles combined.
1. Brown's Gas and the implosive engine idea
2. HHO DYI by ZeroFossilFuel as a secondary fuel source to supplement stand Gasoline
3. The HHO desired 3.5 litres a minute seemed to be losing potential
4. Realization that 15 M/p/gal of gasoline is at 60mph is only around 0.25 litres a minute.(if I am wrong on this I apologize, it was a 2am calculation)

As Dr Brown's implosion engine principle is that ignited Brown's gas becomes the opposite of the steam effect. Where steam expands to over 1000 times the water used, Browns Gas becoming water again, creates a vacuum when it becomes 1000th of what it was as an expanded gas mixture.

This might also explain why the 3.5 litres desired HHO generated on the fly with astronomical amperages over 30 amps @ 12 VDC is in fact highly an inefficient use of the MPG, or LPM (Litres Per Minute). So hence the reduction of the litres from say 3.5 to 0.35 is a factor of 1/10th, and hence the current if near linear would be about 1/10th, from 35 amps (for round figures) to 3.5 amps, making it a figure I am happy with. Those high amps just scared the hell out of me. lol. So much heat losses etc.

On the other hand, it may well be that the gas is imploding somewhat, and that is the reason why over 3 litres of HHO is required as a supplemental fuel source to the gasoline (I'm Aussie and just can't find myself saying Gas, as here Gas is Natural Gas, LPG or the odd fart ).

Designing an injection system of HHO which may use existing EFI systems with some modifications is probably a major factor in getting this to work. The rest is more or less bolting together everything else, and designing the FEED BACK electronics to regulate it all.

cheers

ZenArrow