HHO as the only fuel (Brown's Gas) creates Vaccum

[zenarrow]

Standard Petrol 2 Stroke Valveless Design

I have been pondering on the standard petrol 2 stroke, and a concept of complete redesign for implosion, and it has come to my reckoning that my first attemps while they can suck the gas in, by creating a vacuum low pressure, that the gas would seemingly always (yet to be determined, but seem right so far) be under compression when firing.

Now this whole thread is about HHO in a vacuum imploding. I do wonder if it was put into a normal engine under compression, if it would behave differently again when fired in a regular 4 stroke compression cycle, or 2 stroke. Maybe I am chasing an old idea which was given up for this reason. That it works just as well with compression. In the video I have on my YouTube channle with poor sound of an interview with Yul Brown in Australia, he fobbs off the the idea of decompression/implosion and says don't worry about that. However in that video he had an Australian holden engine running on the gas. Though the interviewer, American, says, "what's that a Ford?" LOL!?!? I guess that just shows the cultural differences of terminology. My wife wouldnt have got that wrong, and she doesn't know much about such things at all.

After the valve issue with implosion as mentioned above in other posts, I will have to say, I might examine the idea of a regular 4 stroke compression ignition.

As mentioned at the very start of this article, it was stated that 0.25 Litres per Minute consumed by a petrol engine at 15 Miles Per Gallon with an assumed speed of 60 MPH. That the HHO guys who are adding this to petrol engines as an additive are getting between 1 litre and 3 litres per minute unregulated into the air filter. To me that was a horrible waste of a more volatile fuel potential than petrol, and efficiencies needed to be explored.

So the next phase I want to do is along the lines of an LP Gas conversion, with HHO on demand as the supply of GAS (not gasoline, but LPG replacement).

This is on the exploration of the assumption that Brown's Gas (HHO) mixed with air, and used as a replacement for LPG will work similarily under compression.

I anyone had any ideas on this let me know, or knows of other threads on this topic I would also be interested. I really need to do more research, pondering and experiments on this. Currently I think it is the best angle. As perhaps my previous replier GravityDad mentioned, that the implosion idea was an old one and given up and gone into other areas. But no labour is without profit. As Edison said, he had invented over 100 ways of how to not make a light bulb.

[jeanna]

Zenarrow,

This is very cool and I am really glad you brought up the implosion thing.

And OK Yull Brown himself said to not pay attention to decompression implosion stuff - If that is true, I do not know.

I am not a car guy. I changed my own plugs n wires and oil in the 70's, but that is it.

This idea is a little like a diesel engine in reverse:

Explanation 1

Implode the HHO in one cylinder,

As that is imploding, the opposite piston is pulling up from the water in it's cylinder and creating a vacuum in the opposite one.

Spark the HHO in cylinder 2 and the piston will be sucked to the top

and at the same time the opposite piston will be pushed to the bottom.

If the gas inlet lets in a wee bit of water which is sitting on the top of the piston then when the piston is moved to the bottom with force of other cylinder the vacuum pressure will pull the HHO apart and the gas will be ready to implode on this cylinder.

Yikes this is hard to explain.

another try:

Cylinder 1
Piston on top
water resting on top of this piston

Suddenly the piston drops to the bottom

this vacuum creates HHO from the water. vacuum is on top of the cylinder.

At this time in cylinder 2

With the piston in cylinder 1 in the down position,
The piston in cylinder 2 is in the up position and a little water is let out to rest on top of the piston.

Back in cylinder 1, the spark strikes the gas and the piston 1 goes up to the top

forcing piston 2 into the down position (thus creating HHO by sucking it out of the water)

And a little water is let into the space on the top of piston 1

The water may be recycled to become the water let into the top of the piston too.

I will try again if necessary,

jeanna

The biggest questions I can see are can the standard parts be modified?
is there enough vacuum produced from one stroke?

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FYI where this information came from:

Many years ago I researched the Kunkel patent awarded only after the patent office witnessed it working.

I posted the Kunkel patent on the pyramid general topic thread and I can link it here if necessary, so here goes:

The lower chambers up to the kings chamber in the pyramid work as a 2 stroke ram pump.
I only want to refer to the second and bigger stroke.

The grand gallery is built as a vacuum chamber. Water from the lower parts of the pump are sucked up into it and the vacuum and its release are part of how the ram pump works. The tricky part is that this vacuum will literally pull HHO out of the water to fill the space with gas and the pump will slow down.

Well, the gas happens to be HHO.

So, the vacuum chamber is filled with part water and part HHO.

Add a spark and the the gas implodes sucking water to fill the chamber, then once it is filled and no more vacuum is pulling the water up, then a check valve in the queen's chamber can open (gravity now) and the water will flow out and through another opening in the wall.

This causes a vacuum to reappear in the grand gallery which sucks water up into it until the vacuum pulls the HHO out of the water again. (BTW at this same time the check valve in the queen's chamber closes forcing the vacuum to be the only force going on.)

What I don't know is if the vacuum needed for the HHO to be pulled out of liquid water can be accomplished in a single stroke. I can not see why not.

It seems to me that car pistons are engineered to withstand this kind of vacuum if they can withstand the pressure from the explosion of gasoline, so it ought to be the same parts.

[jeanna]

For those interested, here is the link to the page with the pdf of the kunkel patent. reply 1

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4045.0.html

I just want to clarify what I meant by

This idea is a little like a diesel engine in reverse:

I meant that whereas a diesel takes non volatile diesel and compresses it to where it self ignites, this would do the reverse by taking non volatile water and vacuming it to HHO which could then ignite (by a spark ).

jeanna

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