HHO as the only fuel (Brown's Gas) creates Vaccum

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I didnt realize how huge that animation was.
I actually find it good to look at while I am visualizing in my mind how these things connect to it.
But hey, each to their own.
Here's the smaller version. Not so easy to reduce the size of a gif with my tools, but the psp and the jpgs is not a problem. This will be the base I will use for the timing animations and explanations.

Feel free do save image as for your own purposes.

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Having not actually experimented with these things, I am only using theory from things I have read.
As far as I have read, the ignition of HHO (Brown's Gas) in a sealed cylinder, does not explode. It implodes. So it creates a vacuum. The gas becomes water. The opposite of creating steam in principle, from what I understand. What happens to the flames etc I am not sure either. I was under the impression Dr Brown did have an engine running from it.

It explodes, and then implodes but the conversion time between expanding and condensing is small and both are very powerful.

So it would in theory run cool by it's own conversion. It should run quietly as it is not exploding.

Perhaps an idea to test it is to create a sealed container with a spark plug going into it. Kinda like the bubbler of pvc, but sealed. However it must keep the zeal the whole time or else other air coming in might make it explode if it ruptures from the vacuum. Maybe just a good old ORCHY bottle dude
Something which will take the flex and not rupture. Put spark plug in the cap and tap it on. Ignite it and see what happens and report back your findings. Maybe the standard 2 litre milk container will do nicely, it's got lots of flex. DO BE CAREFUL! Please do not hold me responsible for any lapses in judgement. Make sure no air gets in their till after it has ignited and sat there for a little while, just to be sure.

Peace, be well, and for God's sake, think ahead.

Well, I've done those types (not those exactly) experiments and only once was I able to induce a flashback through the torch to the bubbler to see the effect of the vacuum.
It's tricky since you have to get the gas amount just right to not exploded the plastic bottle.

But this is something I've always wondered about since the explode/condense cycle happens so quickly if the use of HHO isn't robbing itself of generated power because the stroke cycle in a piston engine is too long.

Just a thought I had.

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It explodes, and then implodes but the conversion time between expanding and condensing is small and both are very powerful.

Well, I've done those types (not those exactly) experiments and only once was I able to induce a flashback through the torch to the bubbler to see the effect of the vacuum.
It's tricky since you have to get the gas amount just right to not exploded the plastic bottle.

But this is something I've always wondered about since the explode/condense cycle happens so quickly if the use of HHO isn't robbing itself of generated power because the stroke cycle in a piston engine is too long.

Just a thought I had.

Very very interesting.
I am optomistic that balance of mixtures, valve intake time, and electrical timing, along with the combination of electronics feedback tuning will have a fine tuning effect.

I once saw someone with a crook fuel pump on a V8, have a very large vegemite jar of petrol held near the throat of the carbie (fuel filter assembly removed), and it sucked the fuel from the jar into the carbie, by a balance of just not tipping it, but on the edge point of tipping it in. The sucking of the engine sucked it in and revived the engine. In a way we were like being the carbie with our angles mixing it so to speak. Crude, but worked. But in far need of tuning for efficiency. For too much, and it back fired, and just missed igniting what my friend was holding in his hand. Boys and their toys

So back to your experiments, did the mixture expand then implode? or did it just implode? And was it perfectly sealed from any other air?

For the stroke being too long, as you brought up, perhaps, opening valves for short times, to give only a minor amount in the cyclinder. Since this is more volatile in its power than petroleum, perhaps it doesnt need as much as would be mixed through the carbie, and the duration length of the intake valves cycle?

It's a bit of a balance, effect, but so is the modern carbie.

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I have done more research on this with google about Dr Yul Brown, with "Dr Brown Brown's Gas Water" as the search. There is a lot there.

He was a Bulgerian born physicist which worked on heavy water, and came up with a lot of experiments and devices. From blow torch. 1 litre of water makes 1360 litres of brown gas.


Heres a link to the main homepage of what seems to be the follow on of his work as an independant website... http://www.brownsgas.com/brownsgashome.html

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U can find about water electrolysis at
http://www.hydrogen.asn.au/hydrogen-technical-calculations.htm

I calculated and u will get from 1 l of water about 0,5 l of liquid hydrogen.