URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[gotoluc]

Thankyou gotoluc
I will do a check on the circuits ground and hopefully find the problem.I appreciate your input and advice very much.I will post it if I find the problem.

Thankyou again.
Bob

PS-- Here is something my brother and I plan on burning with the plasma arc. Woodgas compress in a  tank.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2N0a6Swi00

Hi bwb,

thanks for sharing that. First time I hear of this but I bet my friend Rick knows about this woodgas.

Keep us updated of your tests.

Luc

[lapperll]

@gmeast,

  I was hoping that you could answer a question in regards to the solid state relays that you are using.  Most SSR's require a voltage drop on the secondary side in order for the relay to disengage.  This does not appear to be the case with the Crydom relays that you are using.  Do the Crydom relays disengage when the voltage is dropped on the primary side like a standard relay?

Thanks for all of your efforts.

LapperLL

[geovel56]

Hi All,

Haven't been here in a very long time as other business ventures have consumed all my time as of late.  S1R, Nathran, said he would drive his car running on water (not the mythical El Camino however) to a show in Ruskin, Florida October 18-19, 2008.  My group was wondering what BS he'd come up with when he didn't show up.  I am not sure if those here follow Nathran's BS, but here is his most recent post and amazingly enough, he won't be at the show...  Imagine that!  LMAO

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I am still laughing my a$$ off at Nathran's latest post.  We were all wondering what BS excuse he'd come up with when he couldn't produce a real vehicle.  Members of my group were betting he just wouldn't show up, and then post something to the Waterfuel1978 group saying he had car trouble, his dog ate his homework, his grandmother died, or something to that effect.

At least he came up with his BS before the show to make his "no-show" more believable.  This guy is a total joke!  I wonder why he just doesn't take the El Camino to the show?  Maybe because his El Camino, Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy, etc. all have one thing in common... they don't exist!  Still Laughing My Ass Off!

Here is his post on the Waterfuel1978 group:

Florida Event.
Posted by: "s1r9a9m9" s1r9a9m9@...   s1r9a9m9
Sun Oct 5, 2008 2:10 pm (PDT)

Due to a problem with the vehicle that I planed to drive to the event
haveing blown the top of the engine off, ( intake busted, haeds
cracked, pistons drove down through the oil pan, fan through the
radiator, and other stuff blown off the engine.) I will not be
attending the event as planed.

We were testing it on the express way and there was no warning that
it would do what it did. We were driveing it at about 70 mph when the
engine blew up. Engine parts every where. There are even holes
through to the inside of the vehicle where parts flew off the engine.
The vehicle is a mess and needs a lot of work. I dont know how it
effected the transmission yet.

The exhaust feed back was direct to the intake and it put to much
pressure on the return gases and the amount of nos was more than
expected so we got a big bang out of it. it happens and they ant
nothing we can do about it.

This is a second disapointment to me and its probly not the last. I
will contenue to try to get the info out when it works well enough
for others to copy with out any danger.

I know a lot of people is expecting me to be at the event but now
with the engine blown in the vehicle I dont have anything to show.

It will take two weeks to replace the engine and other stuff that got
damaged. Even if pushed. The vehicle still may do the same thing on
the way. Just not enough time for the test needed to do it right.

As for the other info I will post it. I have been busy trying to get
ready for the event and now I can get back to the group and post the
other drawings that I have.

I know that this is not what any one wanted to hear but it happened.

S1R.
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Way too funny,
Geo

[gmeast]

Hi gmeast,

Thanks for your average current draw calculation. Since the way I understand your circuit, all power comes from the inverter, can you measure inverter current draw from the battery to compare it with the calculation? I am not sure if it will be pulsing or will be filtered by the inverter internal capacitors, etc.

HI insane4evr,

You read my mind!  Today after regular work, I will fit an amp meter in the DC line to check agreement.  I will use an analog meter because digitals go unreliable with pulsing. I know the inverter I use has a front-side Cap ... may be good filter.

Peace,

Greg

[gmeast]

@gmeast,

  I was hoping that you could answer a question in regards to the solid state relays that you are using.  Most SSR's require a voltage drop on the secondary side in order for the relay to disengage.  This does not appear to be the case with the Crydom relays that you are using.  Do the Crydom relays disengage when the voltage is dropped on the primary side like a standard relay?

Thanks for all of your efforts.

LapperLL

Hi lapperll,

Yes, you're welcome. The SSR's I am using are Power Mosfet packages complete with opt-isolated DC control inputs.  Most other SSR's are SCR based and require the voltage drop you mentioned.

These are:
Crydom Model D2D12 SSR(12A 200VDC 0 - 32VDC control input)
Mouser Electronics P/N 558-D2D12

I would make sure you have that power resistor on the charge SSR like in the diagram to protect the SSR.  The inrush current into a (even a small one) capacitor can exceed the max. inrush current rating for the mosfets.

Unfortunately these SSR's limit your ability to experiment with higher voltages.  There may be other brands of Mosfet SSR's out there that have higher ratings, better price, etc. but I used these because they had the isolated control input.  I didn't feel it a good budget of time to try and learn how to do that level of electronics.

Don't let both SSR's to fire (prolonged, seconds) at the same time or you can say "bye-bye" to your coil.

Peace,

Greg