URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[forest]

Maybe you could now try such experiment as this inventor shows : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV6M0ugRCbM

[qiman]

Hi Ben,



Item 55 is a bulb that will burn off electrons freed in water bath when h/o are separated. I don't know if one inline like that will work with Luc's spark method.

I can't find an easy pic to post but take that bulb and take the right side of it to the + of the cell (annode) and the left side to the hv output of the ignition coil..that would be analogous of Meyer's method. it could be on constantly or as in one of his patents that it is on a flip flop..bulb is off during on pulse but as soon as it is off, bulb connects to pull electrons freed.

The concept is valid and sound...if it is that easy to apply to this method, I have no idea..experiment will tell and it is what deserves some attention. The water only reforms because the electrons are right there for the h/o to reassemble.

I see no reason why not to use moisture + hho from a wfc..even if low volumes, you will get a propagated explosion from that spark...that has already been demonstrated. If the EEC method is done right to the HHO and also on the HHO as it is leaving the cell in order to strip electrons from the oxygen atom, it will destabilize the oxygen further making the potential for energy release upon burn way higher. Then that electron stripped oxygen in the HHO from a cell going to Luc's spark would take the electrons freed from the gap. But simply adding HHO might make this whole concept of putting EEC to the plug system obsolete.

Any car that can simply run on anything...even at idle is turning an alternator even at low speed...the alternator windings can be tapped before the voltage regulator for serious gas production in a good cell. I have made a lot of gas in my cells at 36 watts or less with 1 single tube set! The power from an alternator before the voltage regulator is MUCH MUCH more than that! Anyway, point being HHO isn't going to be in low supply from the power the alternator puts out. HHO + Moisture + Luc's spark. Why just mess with water because the HHO is too easy to supplement to the mix.

[gotoluc]

Hi All,

Please see my latest video here.

http://www.youtube.com/m1a9r9s9

Or here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDU3U1gzLzc

First of all I would like to explain the purpose of my work in this thread and how I have come to this very important latest discovery. It was Luc who showed us all a very interesting and simple circuit he discovered whilst attemping to work out how SR1. could be powering an engine with only water in his videos. In my previous posts I was able to reproduce the effect of exploding pure water with an electrical circuit and verify Luc's circuit and the results. I went on to show how the basic effect could be done with little input power and also at high repetition rates comparible to that of a running engine's ignition system.

With the help of my good friend Ben, it was discovered that exploding water with electrical energy was shown to have more energy output then what was required as electrical input according to the published Graneau paper as described in my previous posts. This paper explained that the released energy was from the conversion of the molecular bond energy in liquid water. This conversion occured when liquid water came into contact with an electrical plasma and the liquid water was converted into a cool fog. No heat is generated in this conversion but the explosion does result in significant kinetic energy which was shown to be greater than the input electrical energy. This process and conversion did not dissassociate or split the atomic bonds of the H2O molecule but did split the molecular bonds that hold water in a liquid state. The energy released, although significant, is far less than if the H2O molecule was split and then the hydrogen was to be ignited.

The above mentioned circuits were based on having a charged capacitor and blocking diode/diodes connected across a spark plug. Then a HV spark from an ignition coil is also placed across the spark plug. This ignition spark ionised the air and any water in contact with the spark plug electrodes. This ionisation allowed the energy in the capacitor to be discharged and cause a strong and bright electrical plasma discharge between the spark plug electrode. The water on the electrodes, when in contact with the plasma, would explode as described in the Graneau paper. The diagrams or schematics, videos and pictures of these built and proven circuits can be found in my previous posts on this thread.

Now to my latest discovery. Whilst looking at the ionising effect of the ignition spark and how it allowed the capacitor energy to piggy back itself and jump across the spark plug gap, I wondered if it was possible and if there was another way to do this that did not required a HV ignition spark to ionise the spark plug gap. After a number of tests and trials using a fouled or blocked with water spark plug gap, I soon realised that two things were going on. I could see that the water in the clogged spark plug gap would bubble slightly and that the water itself had significant resistance such that not enough current could be discharged from the capacitor. This was because there was not much ionisation going on in the water itself. Also, on noticing the bubbles I realised that there was electrolysis or the splitting of the H2O molecule going on and that hydrogen was being released from the water that was clogging the gap. So it was then I realised that to get more current flowing in the water so as to be able to discharge the capacitor, I needed to lower the resistance of the water. I needed to get the ionisation to occur in the water itself. So this was simple, I just needed to add an electrolyte to the water so this is what I did. I added SALT to the water.

As soon as I did this and sprayed it on the spark plug gap to block it, it almost immediately bubbled away and exploded indicating it was being split. After only a few tests without any HV iginition coil or ignition spark I got it to repeatedly explode!!!! The spark plug gap is a factor and the amount of salt in the water but it all works and they are just some variable factors to the performance! The explosions are unlike anything I have experienced before. They are far more powerfull and loud and very HOT! They contained on demand genertaed hydrogen explosions!!!! Please see my videos above.

With this understanding I then was able to simplify the circuit to do this considerably. Please see the schematic below. You only need a capacitor of a few hundred uF and a bridge rectifier. You can use an inverter or the power from the wall to power it and that's all!

The power yielded is far greater than that of the cool fog explosions! These explosions are HOT hydrogen explosion and are very powerfull! The salt water is being split on demand in the spark plug gap and the capacitor discharge plasma is igniting the hydrogen. It is now my opinion that if the videos of SR1. are real indeed then this is what is occurring inside his engine which will justify the power observed as my experiments have shown that the previously described cool fog explosions could not account for the power shown in the firings of his engine. He has also verified that his engine does get hot which is not possible with the cool fog explosions of the previous circuits in this thread. It is likely that the water SR1. uses has salt or other minerals in it that he may not know of, particularly if it is from a bore. This can be enough to reduce the resistance of the water. I must also point out that it is also possible that capacitor70's motorcycle engine ran on this process as he did mention that he was using bore water to power it. Any acid or base can be used in the water to change it's PH level and lower it's resistance.

But now it becomes a requirement to be able to get alot of ionised or PH altered water to the spark plug so as to block it for this to work in an engine. Also, because the ignition circuit is not required, the cylinder's compression will be required to also condensate enough water in the spark plug gap to get it to explode. The operation will be vey similar, if not the same as a diesel engine. But many variables will have to be tested with the right combinations for a particular engine for this to work. Such as the spark plug gap, cylinder compression, type of spark plug, carburetor or water injection method, conductivity of the water and so on. But I believe that this process can be used to power an engine as it yields significantly more power than the previous cool fog water explosions that have been previously described.

There is room to be able to derive an ignition type circuit to create this same described effect and HHO explosion but use the ignition timing and even the HV spark to merely trigger the connection of the capacitor to the spark plug. This can also be done via another spark gap. But this will be explored and reported further in later experiements. Such a circuit will allow the effect and process to be used in a standard HV ignition timed engine. But it is important to understand and show that HV has NOTHING to do with the resulting explosion and output energy of this process as I have done above.

Regards,

Ossie

Hi Ossie,

I am having a hard time wording this but I'll give it a try, so please don't be upset if something I write makes you feel bad since that is not my intention here. As you know, I have praised and valued all the work you have done and you have added so much great research to this topic.

Using electrolyte in the water was a direction I was purposely avoiding (not wanting to do).  Maybe you did not see the first page post where someone posted this Cold Fusion Plasma 9 Youtube video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=bs-Uk511S_I  which I deleted since I found it to be off topic. Now once again someone has posted it on this page.  I am not impressed by this video demonstration because of the use of electrolyte in the water. I seem to find this to be a form of brute force electrolysis.

I can be wrong and you maybe on the right track and this is what would be needed to make a combustion engine work on water but I am hoping not. How can we expect a normal ICE to last with salt going though it? isn't it going to rust like 30 times faster than just water? It may work in the Lexan engine that I'm presently building but I think I would be testing this last.

Maybe there is something I'm missing or not understanding

Luc

[Shanti]

No significant motive power is because of the re-association of h/o causing a vacuum....that is why on these spark plug circuits, there needs to be a Meyer EEC (electron extraction circuit) from the annode of the plug back to the input with a bulb in the middle to burn off electrons that are freed during separation...then the bang will be bigger without forming a vacuum right after. ALL COLD EXPLOSION.

Well this is quite similar to my idea, about the non neutral Plasma.
See here : http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3977.msg112537.html#msg112537
Well your idea, about the additional benefit of non combination of Hydrogen and Oxygen due to the charge imbalance is an additional reason, why it could really be important to have the LV discharge happen not on ground level, but on a very high positive level, which will keep sucking electrons from the water plasma even during the discharge...
You could do this similar to Stan. During the discharge you let the channel to the positive open, but block the channel of the negative a little. So that in total more electrons get sucked away than do enter in the plasma. What to do with the excess electrons, well you can either store them, and release 'em again after the discharge, or you radiate them out of the circuit as Stan did (Light Bulb). (A heated wire radiates electrons, this is actually how the old tubes worked in the basic principle...)

@LUC: I also think salt water and ICE shouldn't be combined...Well, I could be wrong, but I would estimate that salt water and its deposits will do quite some damage to the engine.

[forest]

Exactly Luc , exactly. We should avoid any offtopic experiments but that one looks fine to me. We should find a common denominator of all experiments to understand what is happening. I think I know what's going on but it's hard to me to believe.
We see exactly Nikola Tesla method of conversion  !