URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[DrStiffler]

DrStiffler

Just  trying to ake sure that I understand  what you are saying



Your previous  post   about connecting a  ground to me seemed to be  about  another  form of energy  being  created in another  part of the circuit  .

Now it looks like    you are saying that it there is OU here it is  in the spark .
Is it possible that the  guys that  wrote the  law of  thermodynamics  forgot  to  measure  the  energy created  by a spark in water ? 
Or did  they just assume that   the spark  would follow their  law ?

What is  your opinion on this ......Is the spark following  the law ?

gary

@resonanceman
I think you need to read what I said and not what you think could be between the lines. I never mentioned OU or any violation of LoT, even though LoT is a set of misunderstandings.

Now I have adequate supporting experiments to show that circuits (at least the ones I work with) will cease to cohere energy if any part of the circuit is connected to ground.

If you feel Luc's circuit is doing an intake of some ethereal energy them do indeed try my suggestion. If you end up with apparent additional energy with the ground, then I am wrong, yet I would highly question ground as a source of energy in this context.

Again when I say secondary, additional or in addition to, that in no way can be construed as saying OU or LoT violation.

[aether22]

Really it is a philosophical issue as to if energy in such experiments is created in violation of the first law or merely released from some unmonitored (and vast) form of energy present everywhere.

Either way they can work and the question in this case is only if there is more energy we are getting out than we are intentionally putting in.

No one can prove that energy can't be created or destroyed under any circumstance, to do so would require absolute knowledge of everything there is and know that there is nothing outside your knowledge, that may even be a big ask for a God.

At the same time it is impossible to prove that energy can be created, it could always be that energy is disappearing from some vast unseen storehouse at the same rate it is appearing in a device.

Neither side can ever possibly prove it either way to an absolute certainty.

What is not up for debate even by the most skeptical is that it is possible for a device to output energy while putting either no or less energy into it in any deliberate form.

So is this more energy out that in? Based on 9991mars (s1r9a9m9) and the good Doctors test it would seem so.
Now the question becomes if there is anything beyond normal amps and volts required to generate the effect, Luc believes/believed so but seemingly there are a wide range of possible circuits that can create the effect.
That is an important question to answer.

Clearly there needs to be a simple circuit that anyone cab build without need for an inverter, and a circuit fit for putting into an auto.
One thought I have is that it is a good idea to try this first in an engine with gas and then slowly add water to the mix increasing the mix until it is all or mostly all water. (whatever works)
Maybe some heat from burnt fuel would help.

[atlantex]

Maybe some heat from burnt fuel would help.

Heat should due to the friction of the cylinder absolutely no problem, there will be still enough heat generated to warm up the whole car, also in the winter.

The fact of a cold reaction is phenomenal because so we don't have to fear to damage the engine, since a wrong spark plug can act like a burner to the cylinder...


atlantex

[exxcomm0n]

The posted results have shown a great effect with liquid water and the idea that the finer the mist, the better the reaction.

I was trying to envision the pump/injector combination that would allow the finest of mists (like the gasoline used today should be perhaps?)

Then I started thinking physical state rather than mechanical means.

Anyone thought of trying steam?

Just a musing.



@ Stephan

Thanks for seconding the crob227 study I mentioned earlier. I find his experimentation very exciting and think he might like to be invited to OU.

[resonanceman]

Either way they can work and the question in this case is only if there is more energy we are getting out than we are intentionally putting in.

Aether

It seems to me that   our opinions of  if there is more energy coming  in or going out  depends more of our  definition of energy anything else .

I have been told that   if a magnet   holds  a weight   for an extended time no  work is done .   because  there is  no movement and no  energy input .        If  an electro magnet is used to hold the same weight work IS done . 
This  seems really  foolish to me .



This  thread  is about  attempting to replicate  circuit  of S1r9 
If  it has  any  " extra " energy  doesn't really matter  at this point .

I think  the only  questions  we need to think about are does it work ?
And can it be improved .

Clearly there needs to be a simple circuit that anyone cab build without need for an inverter, and a circuit fit for putting into an auto.

I have been thinking of a 12 V system  today .
I  still have some work to do on it .
The problem is  how  to  protect the  low  volt side  with out  using  REALLY expensive diodes .

One thought I have is that it is a good idea to try this first in an engine with gas and then slowly add water to the mix increasing the mix until it is all or mostly all water. (whatever works)
Maybe some heat from burnt fuel would help.

The whole  system  is  different .      I don't think  you can mix apples  and oranges in the same engine .


gary