URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[Koen1]

@Luc: All hail the Moderator!

but seriously, what is the direction you'd like this to go, Luc?
Do you want to move toward using this very cool effect in an actual engine,
like s1r9a9m9 (claims he) has done?
Or are you more interested in studying the effect itself?

I myself would like to see if s1r9a9m9's V8 running on water without need
for battery recharging setup really works, and if so, convert a car
to run on it... And a generator as well, to produce real free energy to
power the household.
After all, if it is indeed possible to run a V8 on it, then it must be possible
to run a generator on it... And if the V8 car never needs battery recharge
because it is truly OU, then obviously so would the generator.
Perhaps it would even be better to focus on getting a generator to run
on this, and just use an electric car. Lotus has a nice one coming out
soon, and with all the $$ I'd be saving on electrical and gas bills
it shouldn't take very long to be able to get one of those...

Luc, I ask because well it was your thread to begin with, although
I think we're all very happy that Ossie jumped in too , and because
I see people trying to (and sometimes succeeding) replicate the effect,
but no clear goal or direction we're working towards...

Who of us here is anxious to try it in an engine setup?
I myself would love to get started right away, but unfortunately I am a terrible
mechanic and just fixing something on a normal car engine already takes
ages, so I don't think I am the one to head this off.
I am definately willing to waste my time trying to replicate someones example
though, so if someone has or can give a clear step-by-step overview of how
to alter the engine and probably most importantly the circuitry involved and
how to hook that to conventional controls, that would certainly help a lot.

Sort of like that great description Ossie gave of the test circuit.

So, what does everyone think?

[retrod]

Hi retrod,

Thanks for replicating the circuit and confirming the result. But most of all, thanks for also letting us know how a video does not do justice in conveying just how much of an explosion it is when compared to the dry spark discharge when no water is present. It seems that the explosion is so fast that most digital video cameras do not capture much of it. So I just want people to know that so far, what they see in the videos provided is only a small extent of the real explosiveness that you will see on the bench in front of you, if you build it yourself.

Regards,

Ossie

Thanks again Ossie. I checked out my camera this morning. It was designed as mainly a photo camera so the video recording rate is fixed at only 16 frames per second. This would explain the strange drop outs on the video. I noticed the camera also tries to level out the audio, so you really can't appreciate how much louder the arc becomes with the water spray. Like you said, folks need to build this themselves and see and hear for yourself.
Too all, be sure to protect your eyes, a 'welders burn' is very easy with this system due to the intense spark flash and maybe uv being emitted.

RD

[aether22]

I don't think Luc could answer that, obviously he would like 1,000 replications of S1R's effect in cars before the end of the week, but it is each experimenter that is going to have to do the work, take the risks and pay the bills (and learn the skills).

That said this is going to be useless if no one trys it in an ICE, so any experimenters who have the right skills and gear should definitely try that, but let's face it not everyone here has the skills or an ICE to try this on.

However to get as many decent tests on ICE's then a list of suitable cheap motor types would be a good idea. (assuming there is no way to 'fix' that issue?)
Apparently most/all 2 stroke engines are a poor choice because the fuel is the lube, so then what small engines are suited and what are the prices and practicality?

It strikes me that engines that have a starter motor should be favored strongly, I am sure everyone has had a pain of a time trying to start a lawn mower or maybe outboard engine and that is with petrol.

Not sure but what about scooters or motorbikes?
Generators also sounds very practical (if the motor suits?) since all the energy can if need be in a marginal system go into recharging the battery. (even if it just powers it's self with just water input most would consider that good enough to prove the principle)

The other thought would be to befriend someone who is into messing around with cars, let's face it most people here have experience with electrical stuff and maybe other things but probably not too many working on cars much, since fuel prices are up if you can think of someone you know there is a decent chance that you could get them interested in donating their time/tools/knowledge/parts. (if you do the electrical they may be happy to do the rest)

There are enough stories of water being added to gas creating greater mpg's (with no other modifications) that it makes sense that at first you could just add a small percentage of water, see how that goes and then add the HC to explode the water, increase the % as you go.

While I think a car running on water would be the best way to get attention in the world at large I think a self powering 'just add water' engine would be best to get replications happening on here

So before too long we need to get decent ICE info on here but first we need a circuit diagram that does not use an inverter, Luc has done it but has not yet made a diagram of this. (not that it sound too hard)
I must say, if anyone on here can get an ICE running on this and be open and not all mysterious this issue will get very big very fast, no kidding.

[k4zep]

Forget the model aircraft engine, they are not suited at all.

I hav been flying R/C aircraft 52 years and I beg ta differ............In fact I am modifying an old FOX 78 to run using this process................Will take time, I'm a slow builder/modifier.

Ben

[Koen1]

However to get as many decent tests on ICE's then a list of suitable cheap motor types would be a good idea. (assuming there is no way to 'fix' that issue?)
Apparently most/all 2 stroke engines are a poor choice because the fuel is the lube, so then what small engines are suited and what are the prices and practicality?

Yes, good point on the lube. That, plus the fact that second hand engines are not at all that expensive, plus the fact that "normal" car engines are more
practical to use for the next step of driving your car or using them as a generator, leads me to think it may be just as usefull or even more so to just
skip the phase of everyone buying small motors to test this setup with, and just going for larger second hand car engines.
But it may not be.
The small engines I have looked at so far were generally two stroke engines or ethanol run model car engines, the first seems like a bad idea due to the
lube, the second may be usefull but I'd have to buy a new one plus control circuit and that is not very cheap... I could almost get a second (probably
third or fourth but who's counting) hand old car engine for the same money... And a couple of years ago, before the financial shite and the oil prices
skyrocketing, I could have bought a fairly new 100% working modern electrical generator for that same price (in the region I lived at the time).

It strikes me that engines that have a starter motor should be favored strongly, I am sure everyone has had a pain of a time trying to start a lawn mower or maybe outboard engine and that is with petrol.

Yeah, seems like a good idea, unless of course you need the arm exercise.

Not sure but what about scooters or motorbikes?

Well I'm sure. I wouldn't go for those.

Generators also sounds very practical (if the motor suits?) since all the energy can if need be in a marginal system go into recharging the battery. (even if it just powers it's self with just water input most would consider that good enough to prove the principle)

Exactly.
and many generators have engines very similar if not identical to car engines.
I guess the engines may need to be waterproofed though, as there will be water vapour contacting much of the internal surfaces
and we don't want the stuff to rust now do we?

So before too long we need to get decent ICE info on here but first we need a circuit diagram that does not use an inverter, Luc has done it but has not yet made a diagram of this. (not that it sound too hard)
I must say, if anyone on here can get an ICE running on this and be open and not all mysterious this issue will get very big very fast, no kidding.

Yeah, I think you're right there. But we should watch out we don't get a Steorn-effect as in that the whole world suddenly jumps to this thread and
forum, swamping the FE community with overexcited statements, hindering the actual development process, and then having to perform public
demonstrations before actually being ready for it. (I'm not even going to mention that this works and the Steorn thing didn't)