URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[LarryC]

I have noticed a few people seem to be waiting quite a while for parts, and are running into some costly expenses for their parts.  I found a great place to buy parts online (checked out many sites) and bought mine from here:      

www.mouser.com

Here is what I paid for my parts:
Quantity     Part                                  Cost
200           1N4007 diodes                    $0.02 each
200           1N5404 diodes                    $0.086 each
  16           1 Ohm 10 Watt Resistor      $0.46 each
  20           10uf 250V Capacitor            $0.17 each

I paid for regular ground shipping (express shipping is more expensive) and got my parts in 3 days delivered to my door.  Total bill was $36.94 including shipping!

Thanks Geo, you have made a very important post, mouser is much cheaper than Radio Shack and much more variety. My Radio Shack has run out of important parts also, must be the Luc effect.

Regards, Larry

[gotoluc]

Hi all,

Got these links from the yahoo WaterFuel1978 group. Looking at the date these videos have been added it seems that people have been working on what we are trying to do here, with some success, for quite some time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQF6fvIL3RY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VEVXCXs8dQ

Regards,

Ossie

Hi Ossie, I have been a member at WaterFuel1978 group for 2 or 3 years now. I have seen all the development on those video's you posted which is a capacitive discharge system idea.  If I remember the user name of the one who did this was Tero but none of it worked with water once on the engine. The engine you see running is with fuel and not water. He was just showing his CD ignition system running. He said he could not get it run on water but said it ran realy well with gas

As far as I know no one has got it to run like S1R's system.

Keep in mind that when I found this circuit he said it was very much like his but I needed to add coils.

Luc

[greendoor]

Assuming  you  get   your motor  to run  .........  your  system is  not  exactly  over unity  because  you  are using  a kind of fuel ......HOWEVER ......... the exhaust  WILL  condense  into  water .   If  you set up  a  large  enough   cooling  loop ........it should   be able to run closed  loop .......... if you  are recycling  all your fuel  and producing  energy  there is no  question that you  are over unity       Running  closed loop  would also  put an and to any  possible   talk about any kind of pollution  from the  combustion  process

Very good point.  This is why my idea posted earlier about a water pump system would be much easier to prove real over-unity.  The water system could be totally closed loop.  Imagine a gravity tank - say 10 meters up a hill, with 50mm pipe running up and back.  The pressure vessel with check valves and sparkplug would provide timed surges of water up to the tank.  The water flowing down could drive a waterwheel/turbine generator - and if that could maintain charge for the spark, overunity is achieved.

I admire the enthusiasm of those converting engines.  I just hope that they don't cloud the issue with failures that will draw attention away from the real core energy source here. 

I think there are those struggling with the idea that this is about primarily about producing heat, or disassociating H & O.  I expect there will be an element of this - but if that is the main focus, it will soon be found that there is no overunity.  Very possibly there is some real MIB disinformation clouding this thread already - I have my suspicions about some posts that seem to be guiding the attention off the real issue. 

If we allow ourselves to get misdirected - we will find we are using too much current, and will never achieve overunity.  The circuits to follow are the ones that use the least amount of current - preferably in milliamps.

IMO - this is cold energy.  The Latent Heat of converting liquid water into water vapour.  This is regular physics - nothing metaphysical needs to be invoked.

Sorry if i've offended anyone.  (Bumfuzzled - you better put me on your ignore list, because I say what I think - it's nothing personal).

My 2 cents from somebody just sitting at a keyboard adding nothing to the discussion.

[greendoor]

Burn these words into your brain (cut from the Graneau experiment pdf):

In 1994, we discovered that when
a small quantity of water (usually but not necessarily distilled) is converted to
high-density fog within microseconds, the fog explodes violently. Fog is de?ned
as a multiplicity of tiny water droplets that ?oat in air. The discovery has
been fully described in a book dealing with pre-Maxwellian electrodynamics
(Graneau and Graneau 1996). More recent ?ndings have been discussed in a
previous paper in this journal (Hathaway et al. 1998).
The fog generator is a small water-?lled electric arc cavity to be described
later. In a typical explosion, the cavity receives less than about 50 J of
electrostatic energy from a high-voltage capacitor. Almost all of the input
energy is converted to low-grade heat, raising the water to a few degrees above
ambient temperature. This heat is incapable of raising steam or contributing in
any other way to the explosion. It seems inevitable that the fog is being
produced by electrodynamic forces in the current-carrying arc plasma. Such
forces can furnish the mechanical surface-tension energy required for tearing
bulk water apart into tiny fog droplets.
With 50 J of input energy, the quantity of fog produced is of the order of
0.75 g of water. To dissociate this amount of water into oxygen and hydrogen
would require 10 kJ of energy. Hence the fog explosion is unlikely to be caused
by electrolytic dissociation of water molecules. Without this dissociation, the
most likely source of the explosion energy is that stored by hydrogen bonds
between the water molecules. This bond energy is said to be equal to the latent
heat of evaporation, and therefore could contribute up to 2200 J gâˆ'".
Figure 1 depicts the proposed renewable water energy cycle. The fog contains
less H#O?H#O bond energy per gram than a raindrop. In other words, its latent
heat of evaporation is less than that of bulk water. This is known from the fact
that the equilibrium vapour pressure just outside a water droplet increases with
decreasing droplet diameter (Young 1993). The internal-energy difference
between the cold fog expelled from the accelerator must be made up by
atmospheric heat ? that is, essentially by solar energy. No other energy source
appears to be available for replacing the extracted kinetic energy.

Note the big difference between 50 Joules and 10 kilo Joules (10,000 Joules).  Don't miss this point - because that is what the misdirectors want you to lose sight of.  If you are blowing up inverters and using mains AC for brute force - you are mistaken, or are intentionally trying to misdirect research.

[ggx9]

To use a motor as a generator, the cheapest and simplest would be the common 110 or 220 volt AC washing machine motor of 1/4 or 1/3 horsepower which typically are rated at 1725 RPM (on 60Hz). This motor wants to run at 1800 RPM, but the load (working at rated horsepower) will slow it a bit to 1725 RPM. If a lawn mower engine is turning the motor at approximately 1875 RPM it will generate approximately the nameplate power (186 watts for a 1/4 HP) motor and send the power to your local electric company. All this time the motor must be connected to the power line, which means it will be turning approx. 1725 RPM while the lawn mower engine is trying to start. This may be a scary or dangerous way to start a lawn mower engine since they are normally turned MUCH slower during normal starting. Of course, some consideration must be made to match the power of the lawn mower engine to the power rating of the electric motor and at the RPM's that they will be operated at. The lawn mower engine will produce much less than its rated power when run at 1875 RPM.

In summary; If the electric motor is made to turn a bit faster than its normal rated speed all the while being connected to the power line, it will act as a generator under these conditions.

I think some sort of arrangement like this (one cylinder 4 stroke engine turning an electric motor as a generator) would be the best testbed to develop the spark circuit.

Richard