URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[foxwhisper]

Hi all, re plasma spark & water explosion as a fuel, I'm of the opinion it is a futile exercise &  flogging a dead horse.After hands on expermenting, reading every post,viewing every video & studying volumes on the subject by academics & university studies,I have come to the same conclusion as most of those studies----  the 'explosion' is an implosion creating a shockwave, the noise becoming louder at the application of moisture,simply by  decreasing the resistance & increasing the plasma spark. It may be just possible for the displacement of air by a sound wave  within a tiny ICE, free from seals (resistance) & its piston positioned so that  with the help of gravity, it moves to the downstroke position. I do not believe that sophisticated electronics will increase the energy to run an ICE with next to no energy to start with. By replicating ideas that have no substance, other than a barely viewable U tube clip, some of which, that have been described by a few, who seem to need an ego boost for something they did'nt make happen. Some of these people disappear of the radar!--- I have serious doubts about s1r9a9m9 as I'm sure many others have. We all have the same goal, trying to find an alternative fuel system, & wasting time, effort & hard earned cash on fruitless exercises is not in my book &, it won't be people like me who will  hinder  the goal. To look outside the square is probably a good way to go, the more indivdual thinking can only help the cause, but improving  on proven  technology should not be neglected.  Finding a method of generating Aquafuel efficiently within the vehicle itself  is one such example of many & one which I intend to persue. The new thread on emulsifying Browns Gas is great lateral thinking. Let there be more! That's my two cents worth & my opinion for what it's worth.

[gotoluc]

Hi all, re plasma spark & water explosion as a fuel, I'm of the opinion it is a futile exercise &  flogging a dead horse.After hands on expermenting, reading every post,viewing every video & studying volumes on the subject by academics & university studies,I have come to the same conclusion as most of those studies----  the 'explosion' is an implosion creating a shockwave, the noise becoming louder at the application of moisture,simply by  decreasing the resistance & increasing the plasma spark. It may be just possible for the displacement of air by a sound wave  within a tiny ICE, free from seals (resistance) & its piston positioned so that  with the help of gravity, it moves to the downstroke position. I do not believe that sophisticated electronics will increase the energy to run an ICE with next to no energy to start with. By replicating ideas that have no substance, other than a barely viewable U tube clip, some of which, that have been described by a few, who seem to need an ego boost for something they did'nt make happen. Some of these people disappear of the radar!--- I have serious doubts about s1r9a9m9 as I'm sure many others have. We all have the same goal, trying to find an alternative fuel system, & wasting time, effort & hard earned cash on fruitless exercises is not in my book &, it won't be people like me who will  hinder  the goal. To look outside the square is probably a good way to go, the more indivdual thinking can only help the cause, but improving  on proven  technology should not be neglected.  Finding a method of generating Aquafuel efficiently within the vehicle itself  is one such example of many & one which I intend to persue. The new thread on emulsifying Browns Gas is great lateral thinking. Let there be more! That's my two cents worth & my opinion for what it's worth.

Thank you foxwhisper, for your very honest and direct opinion. I do agree with much of what you are saying. Three days ago I wrote this message to the group: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg123465.html#msg123465  but in a way they could come to some of the conclusions you are sharing. However it would be better if they do this on their own!... Saying it with a tone of certainty is not advisable, since we never should say never.

@everyone, I am very happy to have seen all your participation to date. For those of you that have replicated this simple circuit and have seen the effect know it is nothing close to watching a video replication of it. You have not wasted your money!... in the contrary you have gained an experience that money can't buy. My hat's off to all who did and those that will also chose to replicate.

As I have said, we don't know what to do with this water enhanced spark.  At this time! since it will not make a combustion engine work unless we put in more energy than we would get out of the engine. Like I said, the combustion engine is not a great design. Again, I could be wrong and someone will figure out how to harmonize the water in a Natural way that could create water expansion and make an engine work. But we don't have this knowledge yet.

So with this said, I would suggest you connect with Nature (Universe) and observe or ask how It would use this effect to return energy!... then share your thoughts, meditation and dreams or submit your proposal.

My plasma engine proposal is now mostly built!... It is a GEET bubbler (only) which attempts to use the exhaust energy (heat and air pressure) to prepare the water and fuel mix by emulsifying the mixture with the vigorous bubbling action, heat and shock waves of the exhaust (like this example video): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8902559328011576310 but I will also add at the top of the jar some Stainless pot scrubbers to which when the bubbles hit they will burst and create a large surface area (surface tension) which in turn will create water gas vapor which our plasma spark will be able to combust @100% with minimal power input. Today I have finished building the complete bubbler asembly and the next step will be the timing system and the circuit to remove the waste spark. Please also note that I am making a closed loop with the exhaust and intake as I am quite sure it is possible as Frederic Gauthier (a French Canadian like me who lives a few hours from me) demonstrates in his French (sorry) video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uboKv7lbAbY  I did contact Frederic last year after seeing his video and he has confirmed that he did close the intake and exhaust to create a loop and the engine worked just as well. This is what he is doing with the cloth to show no output or intake. I hope to have a demo some time next week.

Please do keep up the great work, as you never know!... you maybe the one to find the answers we are all looking for.

Luc

[Chris31]

Hi everyone

Im fairly convinced that exploding water alone is never gonna be enough to power an engine. I think the small explosion which some have reported to move a piston is possibly caused by some small amount of fuel/oil got mixed with the water.

I see groundloop comes up with some really nice circuit, excellent stuff but I think it is too advance for what we need at the moment. This is why I didnt wanna spend too much time building anything more than the basic circuit as posted by gotoluc.

To move forward, I have decided to buy a hedge trimmer, here is the victim, a 26cc 1HP 2 stroke motor. Im gonna be using it for HHO or water/fuel mixture.

[Chris31]

My proposal is now built!... It is a GEET bubbler (only) which is an attempt to use the exhaust energy (heat and air pressure) to prepare the water and fuel mix by emulsifying the mixture with the bubbling and heat of the exhaust (like this example video): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8902559328011576310  the bubbles brake over a large surface area (pot scrubbers) to which will create a vapor state of the gases which our plasma spark will be able to combust @100% with minimal power input. Today I have finished building the complete bubbler system and next step will be the mechanical waste spark and timing system. I hope to have a demo some time next week.

I agree, I think we need to mix water with some fuel at least, then on top of that use plasma spark to explode the mix.

I have just done a quick water/veg oil mixing using a fog machine. The results look encouraging, I get pop and flames 

Here is the link

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5450.0.html

Cant wait to see your demo luc

[gotoluc]

hi all

since there is supposedly a longitudinal force in the direction of high-current flow, has anyone with a 'nail-type' spark gap seen any evidence of the gap electrodes being forced apart?

thanks
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

Hi Sandy,

I was going though the posts and looking for something an read your post and it rang a bell ... a user named Gibs of the Energetic Forum (where they also have a topic going on about the circuit) was doing tests with a spark plug electrodes under water and reported this.

"I observed significant opening of the gap after a couple of dozens of under water explosions.
It started at .015" and it went to approximately .100", the ground electrode literally bent out!!!"

Link: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug-22.html#post26878

Luc