URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[UncleFester]

UncleFester

(great name btw)

Thanks for the info. I considered lowering the capacitance but I need it for the sub circuit that I am working on (getting close now) when I get it working, I will publish here. If it works, it will change everything.
In the mean time, I would like to progress with the coil system from the Water Sparkplug forum, but specifics and a general review of my findings will be here.
My sole aim is explosive compression. How I achieve it, Diodes or coil matters not.

Rgds
Dread

Go for it! The higher you can keep the voltage the better. We ran some tests today with a high speed camera (125,000 frames per second max) and found some amazing stuff happening. We were running in the 50+ joule range and tried a bit of water on it for fun. We found that it does create even more compression from the water, but I'm still concerned about the amount of pressure it's producing per pulse. We were finding limited pressure (25-40 psi) per pulse at 50 joules in a 100cc chamber. We ran all the way up to 415 joules (502 volts @ 3300uF pulse discharge cap once per second) and it works better but still not sure how much power will be available from the water explosion inside a combustion chamber from it even though it sounds like a shotgun blast going off inside the lab.. Of course like you stated as well it will be difficult to create enough power from the alternator, etc to feed a 5 joule @ 60 times per second ignition system. The plugs also seem to disintegrate rapidly at 50+ joules, although it may still be workable at these energy levels. At 400+ joules it's a different story LOL! These poor plugs were taking a real beating 

Hopefully our investor will let us post some footage of the plugs across a wide range of power levels and at different frame rates. Super slow motion showed a spark from the HV coil followed immediately by a massive flow of current and a ball of plasma about the size of a grapefruit then falling off slowly into a shower of molten (or maybe vaporized) cloud of metal from the plug. This cloud seems to form a diameter of about tennis ball size before fading out. A normal plug with electrode cut off shoots a flame straight up, while the FireStorm plug creates a definite ball of plasma strangely enough.

[gotoluc]

Go for it! The higher you can keep the voltage the better. We ran some tests today with a high speed camera (125,000 frames per second max) and found some amazing stuff happening. We were running in the 50+ joule range and tried a bit of water on it for fun. We found that it does create even more compression from the water, but I'm still concerned about the amount of pressure it's producing per pulse. We were finding limited pressure (25-40 psi) per pulse at 50 joules in a 100cc chamber. We ran all the way up to 415 joules (502 volts @ 3300uF pulse discharge cap once per second) and it works better but still not sure how much power will be available from the water explosion inside a combustion chamber from it even though it sounds like a shotgun blast going off inside the lab.. Of course like you stated as well it will be difficult to create enough power from the alternator, etc to feed a 5 joule @ 60 times per second ignition system. The plugs also seem to disintegrate rapidly at 50+ joules, although it may still be workable at these energy levels. At 400+ joules it's a different story LOL! These poor plugs were taking a real beating 

Hopefully our investor will let us post some footage of the plugs across a wide range of power levels and at different frame rates. Super slow motion showed a spark from the HV coil followed immediately by a massive flow of current and a ball of plasma about the size of a grapefruit then falling off slowly into a shower of molten (or maybe vaporized) cloud of metal from the plug. This cloud seems to form a diameter of about tennis ball size before fading out. A normal plug with electrode cut off shoots a flame straight up, while the FireStorm plug creates a definite ball of plasma strangely enough.

UncleFester...415 joules ... must of been FUN

Thanks for the update and it would be nice to see some pics of that.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi UncleFester,

I need your help or opinion if you can. Today I finally had time to drive to the US border (1hour each way) to picked up the MSD 8261 Performance Coil I had ordered some weeks back. I'm now testing the coil by manually charging and then discharging a 6.8uf capacitor in the primary. The coil only started to make a HV spark once my cap got around the 50vdc range. Would you happen to know anything about this coils driver characteristics?

Thanks for your help

Luc

[UncleFester]

It appears as though it is a mosfet driven system, maybe with a charging side that charges a cap up to about 450 volts, but the cap must be small, because the effect is not like the larger capacitive discharge you see using an SCR or relay. Also, you get multiple discharges per crank signal and the color is a whitish yellow. This is the same effect Krupa shows in his earlier videos. The switching sound coming from the driver is characteristically mosfet or igbt, the same type of sound you hear from a modern day inverter type TIG welder. Bob say's that the output from these drivers is nowhere near what we was getting in his original videos, and to the naked eye it appears he is right. You see the streamers of HV across the plug but not the plasma effect we are looking for. Also, the units shut down when the diode string is used, they simply will not work with it in place and thus you rely solely on the rated output of the driver and coil. We have used 5 different coils. One was called a flamethrower, blaster3, blaster2, and I can't remember what the other two were, but they were drag racing coils made by Accell. Now, I have not run these 1 joule drivers in parallel but I will try that next week and see if it makes a difference. We have 5 of them and so I might try running a filtered supply from the variac and see how high I can go before it lets the smoke out 


Bob claims that this 1 joule driver is what was used, but he say's it may have been used at higher voltages than it was originally designed for. He calls it the adrenaline ignition which at the time was brand new technology and only custom built on a one off basis for dragsters, etc. Now these drivers can be purchased but are a staggering $10,000 American dollars per unit. I would cut off a finger to have a schematic but clearly that's not going to happen. We can try and design a unit similar to the 555 charge pump and discharge side like I've seen posted, but I would imagine we would need some ISOTOP style packaged Mosfets with 800 volt @ 50 ampere rating or so in order to make it realiable and capable of 5 joules or so.

[aussepom]

Hi Guys
The figures I quoted are real, you can work it out for you self quite easily.
It is well known that a litre of water can produce HOH with electrolysis the gas amount is also a fact 1 litre for 2065liters of HOH. (Browns gas) though this is wrong he did not invent it.
If you can process water correctly this is what you can achieve at 100% change.
Now this HOH gas is NOT FULLY DISSASOSIATED. Just stretched out like an elastic band, it takes energy to stretch it, and a little less to hold it in the stretched position, when you ignite it, it will release the energy and then return to its original shape from 2 cubic metres of 'gas space'  back to 1 litre of water. Do this in a sealed container and you will create a vacuum with 1,999 litres and one litre of water.
You will have a potential lift pressure of  19.7lb/sq" this test can be seen on Utube, Allgoodautomation.
I did not agree with the work done energy as the time that it took to do it was not timed, and I do not think it could be done due to the extreamley fast flame speed of HOH.

      Calculated      
      Gas HOH         
lts/hr   water   2065/ltr      cubic M   
   lts min   lts/min   lts/sec   min   sec
60   1   2,065   34.42   2.065   0.034
108   1.8   3,717   61.95   3.717   0.062
150   2.5   5,163   86.05   5.163   0.086
300   5   10,325   172.08   10.325   0.172
390   6.5   13,423   223.72   13.423   0.224
750   12.5   25,813   430.22   25.813   0.430
960   16   33,040   550.67   33.04   0.551
2,160   36   74,340   1239.00   74.34   1.239
2,580   43   88,795   1479.92   88.795   1.480
4,200   70   144,550   2409.17   144.55   2.409
5,400   90   185,850   3097.50   185.85   3.098
This table is just what you could achieve with HOH.

How ever if you fully DISSASOSIATE, you will have to take the LHV of the separate gases in the correct formula to get the LHV, I have such a programme I can mix any gas in any quantity it will give me all the relative information.  That why the LHV I quoted is at 182 and the 12.8 is the MJ value per Cubic metre. THIS IS NOT THE LHV FOR HOH, no one has proven this and given the LHV value, some has have tried with some guess work.
This may not fit very well in your thread but it is information that you may find useful.
It may give you insight to what can happen inside you ICE engine, when with just a small amount of HOH could lift your energy up by 1% .
Ok Luc I hope this is useful information, please do as you wish with it.
aussepom