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[Damianos]

Hi thermalenergy,

Hi all friends,

I had the idea to take AC from the Alternaror
To tell you the true, didn't test it yet because of some difficult situations (weather, enough place and ect).

The point is that i thought that when the crankshaft makes one circle, the alternator makes 2,2 circles.
So , when the motor runs with 1100 rpm, the alternator makes 2420 rpm.
2420 r per minure (rpm) is 2420:60 per second = 40.33 r per second = 40,33Hz
This frequency is enough to drive a transformer from 12V AC to 220V AC.
Thats all...
The only question I have is, if there is any kind of damage (in this situation) to the head of piston , by long time working...
So, I really don't know (that is the reason i am looking for a second hand engine, to test it) if this strong flame on the spark, is enough to make any kind of damage to my (one and only) car.

I don't know... I like to learn...
Friend
Damianos

[gmeast]

Hi Greg,
Thank you for the reply and for everything you, luc, ossie, and everyone else I forgot to mention is doing. I'm sorry but I just drew the wrong conclusion about the green wire I saw coming out of the back of the alternator. Just look at the first picture from Reply #2349. I'm ordering the parts to modify my geo metro now, but I think there could be a problem producing plasma at higher RPM's. How does your Vexus system compensate for increased power demand at higher RPM's? I thought you had fixed that problem by tapping the alternator to produce more power at higher RPM's. My goal is to eventually install the system in a 1987 Toyota MR2 with a 1.6 liter four cylinder engine with a factory redline of 7500 RPM's. That's why I'm concerned about losing power at high RPM's. I think you are right on the mark testing everything and gradually increasing the water, and the condition of the water,(steam). Liquid water is not very compressible, but steam compresses well, and mixes well with the air intake. How will you create the steam though, if your engine starts running cold? Sorry for the long post, but I think your design is the best one to use in a vehicle, so I think these problems are minor in comparison to those you have already overcome.
Thank You,
Joel

Hi Joel,

I have thought about the possibility of running out of heat @ temperature to create steam.  I'm pretty sure I'll always have 100 deg C somewhere in the exhaust.  If the steam induction works then I'll consider a dedicated exhaust heat exchanger specifically for that purpose.  I'll tell you this, I added the copper sponge because after dripping in a single spot for a short while, that 'spot' became cooled off enough for the water to just drip and run off.

On power demand:  The way my system works is an oscillator runs a voltage multiplier.  The oscillator is designed to produce enough power for the maximum spark rate I expect.  I don't expect to run any higher than 4000 RPM.  So I designed for that.  My oscillator puts out 24 Watts of power at 200 VDC rectified and 400 VAC Peak to Peak.  The Oscillator runs a voltage multiplier that  outputs 400 VDC.  Doing some math you can choose the value of the 'dump' Cap such that it fully charges and discharges at the sparking  frequency for a 4-strroke, 4-cylinder engine running at 4000 RPM.  So you design for your max power.  You can also choose the appropriate current limiter (charge resistor R1) that fully charges the Cap but has minimal flow during the spark event (this would otherwise just pulls the oscillator and multiplier down). If the engine RPM rises above that design point then the voltage begins to sag a little.  So you can go too fast and begin to lose the intensity of the plasma spark.  If I stay between idle and 3500 RPM, my plasma voltage only varies between 350 VDC and 385 VDC.  You can only see this happening with a 'scope.

Anyway, that's it.  Peace,

Greg

[gmeast]

Hi Greg,
Thank you for the reply and for everything you, luc, ossie, and everyone else I forgot to mention is doing. I'm sorry but I just drew the wrong conclusion about the green wire I saw coming out of the back of the alternator. Just look at the first picture from Reply #2349. I'm ordering the parts to modify my geo metro now, but I think there could be a problem producing plasma at higher RPM's. How does your Vexus system compensate for increased power demand at higher RPM's? I thought you had fixed that problem by tapping the alternator to produce more power at higher RPM's. My goal is to eventually install the system in a 1987 Toyota MR2 with a 1.6 liter four cylinder engine with a factory redline of 7500 RPM's. That's why I'm concerned about losing power at high RPM's. I think you are right on the mark testing everything and gradually increasing the water, and the condition of the water,(steam). Liquid water is not very compressible, but steam compresses well, and mixes well with the air intake. How will you create the steam though, if your engine starts running cold? Sorry for the long post, but I think your design is the best one to use in a vehicle, so I think these problems are minor in comparison to those you have already overcome.
Thank You,
Joel

Hi Joel,

I have thought about the possibility of running out of heat @ temperature to create steam.  I'm pretty sure I'll always have 100 deg C somewhere in the exhaust.  If the steam induction works then I'll consider a dedicated exhaust heat exchanger specifically for that purpose.  I'll tell you this, I added the copper sponge because after dripping in a single spot for a short while, that 'spot' became cooled off enough for the water to just drip and run off.

On power demand:  The way my system works is an oscillator runs a voltage multiplier.  The oscillator is designed to produce enough power for the maximum spark rate I expect.  I don't expect to run any higher than 4000 RPM.  So I designed for that.  My oscillator puts out 24 Watts of power at 200 VDC rectified and 400 VAC Peak to Peak.  The Oscillator runs a voltage multiplier that  outputs 400 VDC.  Doing some math you can choose the value of the 'dump' Cap such that it fully charges and discharges at the sparking  frequency for a 4-strroke, 4-cylinder engine running at 4000 RPM.  So you design for your max power.  You can also choose the appropriate current limiter (charge resistor R1) that fully charges the Cap but has minimal flow during the spark event (this would otherwise just pulls the oscillator and multiplier down). If the engine RPM rises above that design point then the voltage begins to sag a little.  So you can go too fast and begin to lose the intensity of the plasma spark.  If I stay between idle and 3500 RPM, my plasma voltage only varies between 350 VDC and 385 VDC.  You can only see this happening with a 'scope.

Anyway, that's it.  Peace,

Greg

[thermalenergy]

Hi thermalenergy,

Hi all friends,

I had the idea to take AC from the Alternaror
To tell you the true, didn't test it yet because of some difficult situations (weather, enough place and ect).

The point is that i thought that when the crankshaft makes one circle, the alternator makes 2,2 circles.
So , when the motor runs with 1100 rpm, the alternator makes 2420 rpm.
2420 r per minure (rpm) is 2420:60 per second = 40.33 r per second = 40,33Hz
This frequency is enough to drive a transformer from 12V AC to 220V AC.
Thats all...
The only question I have is, if there is any kind of damage (in this situation) to the head of piston , by long time working...
So, I really don't know (that is the reason i am looking for a second hand engine, to test it) if this strong flame on the spark, is enough to make any kind of damage to my (one and only) car.

I don't know... I like to learn...
Friend
Damianos

Hi Damianos,
thanks for straightening me out about the alternator tap idea. I think it's a great idea if tested cautiously. A limiting resistance, or light bulb, should keep the power down to a safe minimum. The question is, with a variable frequency AC input, would it need to have a variable capacitance also in order to work properly? Since we aren't using a magnetic plasma injectors, just resistorless spark plugs, I don't see how the tops of the pistons would be at risk from the plasma itself. I think the greater risk is from burning a lean mixture, without water, and causing detonation damage to the pistons. I still need to get all the part numbers, so I can order them. That mouser.com site seems to have some really low prices, if you know what you're looking for. Unfortunately I'm more of a mechanic than an electronic assembly person, so I can't make the cross-references in my head. Damianos, if you live anywhere near Vancouver WA I've got several engines you could work on.
Thanks, Joel

[revizal]

Resending what I was write in energeticforum.com...

Hi All,
Today I tested the plasma effect on gasoline vapour. I made an apparatus that make me able to introduce plasma to gasoline vapour flow before burned. I used self pulsed DPDT relay to simulate engine RPM approx 30 Hz. This below the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9zI9onSUgI

I got explotion and implotion effect on it. Hydrogen enrichment gas ? I donot know. May be someone in this forum could explain that ?

I tought plasma act as catalytic fuel reformer to produce H2 when burn gasoline vapour (seen as explotion effect). Later, I will introduce this system to my GEET genset to see the effect on RPM and we will see if it worked too on diesel fuel.

Thank you,

Revizal.