URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc,

I've pull the Bug's engine because one of the cast magnesium tabe that hold the oil cooler to the block busted and I have an enormous oil leak.  I'm doing surgery ... glad I have a machine shop.

I'm also building a new oscillator that has lower energy quiescence that should make folks happier.  Someone from here or Energetic posted it.

I'm going to open one of the heat boxes and wrap the some copper tubing around the exhaust line to preheat the steam water.  on Energetic I posted one possible explanation for my good mileage.  Here it is:

"I recuperate waste heat by turning water into steam. By doing this, I avoid the conversion penalty associated with the 'heat of fusion' ... that is the heat a substance, in this case water, absorbs before it changes state, in this case water to steam. This heat energy can't be recovered with a condenser ... it is therefore a penalty ... the 'steam penalty'. But I do this external to the process with (otherwise) waste heat. With the steam (gas) combined with the air and fuel, ignition occurs (thanks to the intense plasma spark) and the combustion heats up 'both' the steam and the air, but the steam is like an inert component that can absorb allot of energy. So it does and generates pressure in exchange. The pressure from both the air/fuel and the steam is about the same as it would be by just the air/fuel itself because it at a lower temperature. This is where the increase in thermal efficiency comes in ... it is a system thing:
The pressure ratio (compression ratio) is the same. The efficiency of the energy extraction (power stroke) is thus the same (p1-p2)/p1 ... if the ending pressure p2 is much, much less than the starting pressure p1, then the efficiency is high (that's why a high compression engine is efficient). The same is said for temperature (t1-t2)/t1. But what does this do for us? Well - the engine runs cooler with more energy being converted to output power because FAR, FAR less heat is being rejected from cooling the engine.

In my tests, after the engine warms up, you can place any cold plate at the exhaust and the condensation is about 3 - 4 times the amount of water as usual. The EGT is also cooler by at least 200 Deg F. But you don't get consistent running unless you use a plasma spark. I can run so much water (in the form of steam) that the normal spark will misfire. There is some inherent fuel/air leaning going on here also. If I aspirate the steam after the venturi, then the fuel/air ratio won't be affected ...this is my next step. BUT YOU NEED A PLASMA SPARK TO DO THIS."

Greg

Hi Greg,

thank you for the update and all this most amazing research, development and implementation you have done to date. I'm looking forward to the next stage tests after your repairs

Over a year ago I did a test using just one side of my vehicles V6 exhaust pipe, just where the pipe connects to the manifold I coiled 1/4" copper tube around a 8" section and the wrapped fiberglass insulation over it. I did this the day before a trip from Canada to Texas to experiment with adding supper hot steam to the engines intake to see if it would help with fuel economy. to make a long story short, It did not work since I had not thought out the drip system trough. When I returned from the trip I took it apart to find the copper tube had completely disinegrated .

I'm telling you this true event since you mentioned using copper pipe on your exhaust. I know it is easy to work with but it may not last long so, I would recommend you use maybe brake line tube if you can find some that can bend to your liking or the best would be bendable stainless tube if you can find some on eBay or somewhere.

All the best to you and your setup to come.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

[gmeast]

Hi Greg,

thank you for the update and all this most amazing research, development and implementation you have done to date. I'm looking forward to the next stage tests after your repairs

Over a year ago I did a test using just one side of my vehicles V6 exhaust pipe, just where the pipe connects to the manifold I coiled 1/4" copper tube around a 8" section and the wrapped fiberglass insulation over it. I did this the day before a trip from Canada to Texas to experiment with adding supper hot steam to the engines intake to see if it would help with fuel economy. to make a long story short, It did not work since I had not thought out the drip system trough. When I returned from the trip I took it apart to find the copper tube had completely disinegrated .

I'm telling you this true event since you mentioned using copper pipe on your exhaust. I know it is easy to work with but it may not last long so, I would recommend you use maybe brake line tube if you can find some that can bend to your liking or the best would be bendable stainless tube if you can find some on eBay or somewhere.

All the best to you and your setup to come.

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

Hi Luc,

Thanks for the 'heads up' !  I'll use stainless.  I WAS going to use copper and had no idea it would disintegrate.  Thanks,

Greg

[zzzz]

hi, Greg,
   when engine down, this is a good opptunity to modify your cyl head,
I found this man, Mr.Sing, and his method, that very match with vw head, this method is groove...
Vw head have alot of squid area to quench intake out to spark tips, but it always have remaining hc. that make vw engine can't boost up compression ratio too much...

factory maybe 7.5 to 7.8 :1 that too low for now. at first i rise up to 9.5:1 with out groove, engine knock very bad, i can't use it daily, after i can't solve this problem , i start to search about cyl head, and i found groove, then i did to my bug and increase more cr to 11:1...+ new camshaft+groove.

bug become a monster ,
more powerfull, it seem like you drove v8 muscle car. but have oil leak, so i put a gasket to seal barrel then the cr drop down to 10.5 , after that i use  this set up for 10,000 km before lub oil problem, that make lifter and cam fail , so i re-setup the enging again by reduces cr for supercharger but not done yet.... now engine use all standard parts except 9.2:1 cr head with groove.i use it until now, nearly two years, no supercharge as wish, because now power is more than enough.

so for me,
groove is prove themself that it can solve knock problem for vw high cr head. and it work great with lpg fuel and normal gasoline. another side effect is fuel consumption significantly reduces. driver harder faster(110-130km/hr on hiway) but i paid for fuel less 10-15% compare with 7.8:1 cr...

first pic 10.5:1
second pic 9.2:1

I will try to finish Vexus as soon before supercharge project.

just sharing some exp...

regard,
zzzz

[dreamyear]

Daniel Dingel patent

http://www.google.com/patents?id=7xGfAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=Daniel+Dingel#PPA1,M1

[gmeast]

hi, Greg,
   when engine down, this is a good opptunity to modify your cyl head,
I found this man, Mr.Sing, and his method, that very match with vw head, this method is groove...
Vw head have alot of squid area to quench intake out to spark tips, but it always have remaining hc. that make vw engine can't boost up compression ratio too much...

factory maybe 7.5 to 7.8 :1 that too low for now. at first i rise up to 9.5:1 with out groove, engine knock very bad, i can't use it daily, after i can't solve this problem , i start to search about cyl head, and i found groove, then i did to my bug and increase more cr to 11:1...+ new camshaft+groove.

bug become a monster ,
more powerfull, it seem like you drove v8 muscle car. but have oil leak, so i put a gasket to seal barrel then the cr drop down to 10.5 , after that i use  this set up for 10,000 km before lub oil problem, that make lifter and cam fail , so i re-setup the enging again by reduces cr for supercharger but not done yet.... now engine use all standard parts except 9.2:1 cr head with groove.i use it until now, nearly two years, no supercharge as wish, because now power is more than enough.

so for me,
groove is prove themself that it can solve knock problem for vw high cr head. and it work great with lpg fuel and normal gasoline. another side effect is fuel consumption significantly reduces. driver harder faster(110-130km/hr on hiway) but i paid for fuel less 10-15% compare with 7.8:1 cr...

first pic 10.5:1
second pic 9.2:1

I will try to finish Vexus as soon before supercharge project.

just sharing some exp...

regard,
zzzz

Hi zzzz,

Thanks for the input.  The compression ratio is around 7:1 for the stock engine.  My engine was rebuilt to 1285cc from 1200cc so it's higher because the head is the same.  I don't think there are any spacers ... maybe there are.

The groove is a great idea.  I didn't know this was done. Thanks for you suggestion.  Right now I'm trying to fix the broken oil cooler mount so I can test again.

Peace,

Greg