URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[gotoluc]

I recently tried showing one of my friends a video of a water sparkplug (namely this one: YouTube - Water spark plug)

"im pretty sure its just inductive kickback or that the resistance of the coil is ignored because the current goes through the diodes instead"

What do I say to this?

Hi Nihilanth,

user name: smw1998a of the Energetic Forum has studied the effects of the Water Power circuit many months ago. He has taken the time to answer you question with much details. I am including the information here also.

Thanks smw1998a for taking the time to share

Luc


Hello Everybody.
The standard “Kettering” type ignition coil supplies 12-14v through the primary winding of the coil while the points are closed, this creates a strong magnetic field in the core of the coil, when the points open and current is abruptly removed from the primary winding, the field collapses and generates voltages in the region of 250v to 350v. It is the voltage of the collapsing field that is transformed in the secondary winding of the coil up to 100 times.

The water spark plug circuit provides the 300v or so that is needed in the primary winding directly from the capacitor. The spark frequency is now dependent on your ability to charge the capacitor rather than waiting the minimum 4 to 6 m/s for the magnetic field to build in the core. At higher frequencies the coil just hasn’t the time it needs to charge the field sufficiently before the points open causing the field to collapse. At higher frequencies the points themselves become unreliable, floating when they should be closing. This was the reason for the development of the capacitor discharge ignition system used in practically all modern vehicles today.

Back to the water sparkplug circuit. It may appear that all we have done is taken an inductive ignition coil and converted it to a CDI ignition coil. This is true, but there is much more to it. Without the HV diode you have a basic CDI ignition. But the inclusion of the HV diode does two things.

One: Once the arc has formed across the gap, there now exists a direct low resistance path to ground for the remaining energy in the capacitor via the HV diode and the arc. As a practical example of the effect, charge a photo flash capacitor to 280v or so, then short it out with a piece of copper (making sure you are insulated and at arms length). See and hear anything familiar? A bright flash and loud crack….

Two: Once the energy stored in the capacitor has shorted to ground, in an instant, via the arc, there is no more energy available to the primary winding to sustain the arc and everything comes to an abrupt stop. There is very little back EMF (10v or so over 50uS) as the coil had very little time and energy to create a magnetic field in it’s core. Just a disruptive capacitor discharge across an arc.

IMO, Environmental, radiant, negative or vacuum energy has no part in this process. However, the energy of the discharge when combined with water may be greater than the sum of it’s parts. Unfortunately, I’m unable to measure with any accuracy but my observation and experimental experience would suggest that there is something more with the addition of water.

Regards To You All Lee….

[sparks]

          The impedance of the secondary is a hell of alot higher than the resistance of the preconditioned spark gap.  The capacitor therefore discharges through the gap at an ionizing intensity. 

[gmeast]

          The impedance of the secondary is a hell of alot higher than the resistance of the preconditioned spark gap.  The capacitor therefore discharges through the gap at an ionizing intensity. 

Hi sparks,

Thanks for posting that brief and concise account of what is happening.  I totally agree with this analysis of everything culminating as the capacitor "... discharges through the gap at an ionizing intensity."

Best to you,

Greg

[gotoluc]

@everyone,

below is a continuation of user smw1998a

I'm posting it here for your reading.

Luc


The Vexus Circuit. Pros and Cons
Hello All,

Before I continue, I would just like to say that the following post is based on my understanding of the effect and the application of the Vexus variant of the Water Sparkplug circuit. Advantages and disadvantages as I see them. And is no way an attempt to impugn anybodies efforts applying this technology. In fact, I have spent many hours catching up on posts and I am amazed at the progress made and technical solutions to problems identified along the way.

Vexus and the original circuit both disruptively discharge capacitors across an arc created by a HT coil. The only difference is Vexus uses a storage capacitor specific to this purpose where the original circuit used the capacitor that also provided the energy source for the primary winding of the ignition coil.

There was a post aimed at me about spark duration. (I have been inactive for several months) The spark duration of an inductive ignition coil is around 120uS to 140uS (micro seconds). This is true whether you inductively charge the coil as designed with points and condenser or in my circuit dumping 300v across the primary from a 4uf capacitor (without the HV diode). I’m not sure, but I think modern CDI is around 60uS because the coils are constructed differently.

Anyway, the addition of the HV diode in my circuit reduced the spark duration from 140uS to 10uS. Not because of the plasma in the discharge, but because the energy stored in the capacitor discharging across the primary winding went short circuit via the HV diode the instant the arc formed. Thus, creating the plasma effect and instantly robbing the primary winding of all power and terminating the arc.

IMHO this was the advantage of the original circuit. The abrupt end to the arc allowing me to produce the effect with very little stored power. The problem with increasing the stored energy or capacitance was that only so much of it shorted across the arc. If the duration of the arc ends before the energy in the capacitor is spent, you get a curve at the bottom of the vertical discharge trace at around 50v. This is the remaining, stored energy bleeding off via the resistance of the primary winding. I considered this wasted energy. If you have energy on your capacitor after the disruptive discharge, it is wasted (this may not apply to the Vexus circuit).

It is the stored energy of the capacitor shorted across the arc that produces the effect. The more energy you can dump across that arc the more violent the effect. For bench purposes the lower the capacitance and the higher the voltage, the higher the frequency and the shorter the spark time. It all leads to some interesting effects. But this is not what is required for the ICE.

The advantages of the Vexus circuit are clear. It offers an almost bolt on or piggy back approach to implementing the circuit in a vehicle. This can only be a good thing but there are drawbacks. The spark duration will be that of the normal ignition system. It may SEEM to require greater capacitance to produce the effect but the more energy you dump across the arc the greater the wear on the plugs and distributor (unless you dump directly across the plugs). As the spark duration could be up to 14 times greater than the original circuit, Increasing the capacitance even further could be possible at the risk of very rapid plug wear.
There is a conundrum here. A greater effect can be produced with less power using the original single, low value capacitor circuit. Less energy will be required from the charge pump, higher frequencies and less wear at the plugs. Difficult to implement or piggy back onto a standard ignition system.

The Vexus circuit is easier implement but larger capacitance and longer spark duration create more wear on the plugs and require beefy charge pumps. There will have to be a trade off with the Vexus circuit between a powerful effect and plug wear. Capacitance need only be great enough to prove beneficial to fuel consumption and running. Too much capacitance and circuit supply, reliability and plug wear will reduce the gains of the system.


I would like to take this opportunity to wish all good health and success for the new year.

Kindest Regards Lee….

[bwb]

@everyone,

below is a continuation of user smw1998a

I'm posting it here for your reading.

Luc


The Vexus Circuit. Pros and Cons
Hello All,

There was a post aimed at me about spark duration. (I have been inactive for several months) The spark duration of an inductive ignition coil is around 120uS to 140uS (micro seconds). This is true whether you inductively charge the coil as designed with points and condenser or in my circuit dumping 300v across the primary from a 4uf capacitor (without the HV diode). I’m not sure, but I think modern CDI is around 60uS because the coils are constructed differently.

Anyway, the addition of the HV diode in my circuit reduced the spark duration from 140uS to 10uS. Not because of the plasma in the discharge, but because the energy stored in the capacitor discharging across the primary winding went short circuit via the HV diode the instant the arc formed. Thus, creating the plasma effect and instantly robbing the primary winding of all power and terminating the arc.

At everyone
I have thought about using a longer Spark Duration coil to keep the plasma alive longer? Would this be possible ? You can get longer Spark Duration coils for just about anything at Summit.350 us 400 uS  1.5 mS and more in spark duration.Is this a waste of time? link is below.

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntt=coil&N=700+115&Nao=0&Ntk=KeywordSearch#rstop