URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[alpeko]

Hi everyone,

Very nice looking aquapulser,but on this forum we must share ours inventions,and make  better world.
No problem make 300 - 500 V inverters,and discharge cap on spark plug,for us electronic spec.
But we must helping for others who's want make plasma spark circuits.

Best reg.

Alpeko

[aquapulser]

Hi aquapulser,

... not only that but I have not seen your system applied to a distributed ignition spark.  A large part of our research and design has been aimed at a "piggy back" concept.  We don't need a CDI coil driver either ... it just rides on top of the existing ignition system  It looks to me like you need one '4700' per plug which makes the total power consumption look ... not so good and not better than the basic VexUs system which is only 50 Watts to run a 4 cylinder engine at 4500 RPM.  But the 4700 @ 26 Watts times 4 is ?

Nice packaging and guitar grinding  though.

Greg

Hello

The RPG 4700 will fire across any distributed spark system. Only one unit per vehicle is required, not 4. This unit is highly energy efficient and  does not consume more than 30 watts. We have attached the wiring diagrams for installation on a vehicle.

The CDI was just to demonstrate how the unit would work with a high voltage input from an ignition coil. The CDI driver also allowed us to demonstrate the plasma spark cycling through frequencies. Yes the RPG 4700 will piggy back on all positive HVDC ignition systems.

[gotoluc]

Hey Luc,

With respect, I can see why they are charging, I have been building an aquapulser circuit (the diagram is off their site) and though it seems relatively simple, it has actually cost a lot of time (and money, though I am using a lot of used parts to cut costs) just to redesign the circuit to my own specs and then to get that circuit actually designed into a printable PCB. Though I am not talking of you (thank you for your many contributions ), many people on this forum get angry when someone wants to charge for their invention, the majority of these people are those that do not realize how much it costs a person to build something even quite simple while keeping it clear and simple enough for the average person to understand. Many inventors of these kind of devices have jobs and not much spare time and commonly have little money so hats off to them. I cannot afford to buy something like this so could likewise be unhappy but maybe a better idea would be to do our best to donate to people like these guys, if we can, when it is open sourced (I'm pretty sure it will be up on their site).
I have no training or even knowledge of electrical engineering so I have made the stuff I have worked on (I will open source it) as clear as possible for someone similar so that building will be easy, but I am also flat broke so though for example I will open source my work and will not request money, any help would be appreciated. Same applies to the Aquapulser folks, if I could afford to, I would buy a unit to make a contribution to their continued efforts.

Hi magpie,

thanks for filling me in on some of the aquapulser group work as I had no idea of this group till now.

I know what you mean about no money ... for well over a year I have had no income or savings to live off of. It is thanks to the generosity of my Girl friend Lucie who is providing me with Free room and board to help continue the research. Most of my experiments I do is also with used stuff I salvage from garbage I pickup. Recently did receive two 100 Euro donations from a very generous soul from the Energetic Forum which help me buy batteries and Magnet wire for my Resonance research work, I was also blessed by User: Groundloop with circuit designs, he even built and shipped me 2 complete circuits for the research and all free of charge.

Thanks to Greg for his enormous research and development contribution and to all others who have contributed in posting your test results.

The World is becoming a New and improved place thanks to us working together and freely sharing with all. May the Force be with us to continue this positive and productive direction.

Thanks to Stefan for also providing and maintaining this Open Public Forum.

Luc

[vrand]

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Our pricing will be around $350 just barely covers the basic production costs, from circuit design, enclosure design, Surface mount assembly, HV encapsulation, custom machined connectors, and high quality components etc. We are under the impression that most HHO plasma spark researchers know the cost of actually prototyping a plasma spark device.

I would be interested in a unit.

Any estimate on when you will be shipping?  Take paypal for payment?

-Mike R.

[gotoluc]

Thanks for your comments everyone.

We look forward and hope to answer all questions that may arise once our site is up.

Plasma ignition has been around for quite a while now. The basic working concept behind the unit we prototyped is based on the following patent:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3788293.html

Other similar patents
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4029072.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4223656.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4366801.html

There are also other patents and they will be listed on our website.

The key here is that the charging technology has been minaturized using SMT technology and a custom programmed microprocessor to optimize a flyback capacitor charging circuit. The charging technology is cutting edge and that is also the reason why in spite of all the patents out there, there are hardly any plasma spark products.  The issue has always been miniaturizing the charging technology and power consumption, which is possible today because of SMD components and microprocessors.

we would like to make it abundantly clear that we are not here for profit by any means. We are not new to the OU community, we sold and auctioned off high quality gated PWMS because a lot of researchers didnt have gated PWMs and we never posted any ads. We saved and used the funds to further R&D and as a result the Plasma Spark generator is the next HHO research device.


Please read the posts by a gentleman by the name of Shane Jackson

http://hhoforums.com/showthread.php?t=2093&page=3

The average cost of building the current open source plasma spark vexus circuit...which is conceptually virtually identical to the expired patents outlined above is around $400. And this $400 does not include the inverter. We are all Shane Jacksons here...kudos to him at least he knows how much it costs to actually get just a  basic open source circuit prototyped.

Our pricing will be around $350 just barely covers the basic production costs, from circuit design, enclosure design, Surface mount assembly, HV encapsulation, custom machined connectors, and high quality components etc. We are under the impression that most HHO plasma spark researchers know the cost of actually prototyping a plasma spark device. If we had actually charged for the actual engineering and design input, the unit price would be well over $500.

Credit goes to Luc for having discovered that a high current plasma spark explodes water mist.

Our goal is simply to make affordable plasma spark units for open source researchers to see if the plasma technology can actually run a car on water, HHO or even 60% Ethanol 40% water and if it can supplement existing HHO systems and other systems under ongoing research like Stanley Meyers etc.

We have no personal attachment to any technology or process, and we feel it is the public's right to test it out for themselves and if it doesn't work keep moving on. Our way of contributing back is to take bold risks in prototyping by investing capital and  we invested all of it in bring out a production model that will help everyone move forward with plasma ignition technology and achieve the broader objectives of a true and lasting energy independence.

We would like the broader public who are not OU members or part of the open source culture to test the plasma spark effect. Gmeast  has claimed excellent mileage gains...lets see if others can better it. Those who are great skilled mechanics (unlike us) but have little electronics experience to build a plasma spark circuit can benefit greatly from our work, and that is the best way to move forward if the open source engineering paradigm does indeed work!

Most excellent post aquapulser

Thank you for taking the time to explain your intent and direction.

I totally agree with you that those gifted in the art of ICE may not have much knowledge in electronics ... therefore this will help spread the ability for those who wish to test this Technology and hopefully make more advancements. 

If you look through my early posts you will find that I was hopeful that we could come up with a box that anyone could connect and have the plasma spark. So my congratulations to you and your group for making it possible and available.

Looking forward to the development.

Thanks for sharing

Luc