URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[gmeast]

Hi Greg,

Thank you for explanation.I think that GEET is very good for better MPG.Why not use for water mist,cheap Chinese ,piezoelectric mistmakers.I try couple of this and obtain with plasma spark plug and mistmaker on 36v,about 40% BETTER mpg.Look on Alibaba for types mistmakers.

Happy work.

Alpeko.

Hi Alpeko,

40% is very significant.  What plasma circuit did you use?

That's better increase than I got.

Greg

[alpeko]

Hi Greg,

My result is not better then yours.
:Yours result from Panacea
I completed my first test run. I drove 300 miles. 65% of that was freeway miles at 55 MPH. The rest was around town, stop and go, my guess is average about 20 MPH - 40 MPH.I want to say that the factory hype for this vehicle with the stock 1200 CC engine was 31.5 MPG (U.S.). I had the engine rebuilt - new jugs and pistons - which made it 1300 CC - a bigger engine with much more power - same carb as for the 1200 CC.During the test I ran the Vexus Circuit with its own Oscillator and Voltage Multiplier (doubler). I also made a water drip system that forced steam to be aspirated into the carburetor at a set rate (Bug-on-I-V).I topped the tank off with 8.44 Gallons of regular gasoline.
Do the math. Not only did we beat the factory estimate by 13% for the stock 1200 CC engine, we beat it with an even bigger, more powerful 1300 CC engine. We also beat the best mileage I ever got on this engine by 43 %!

In my test I use myself constructed 450V,dc converter.I use SG-3525 chip with ferite core transformer,and tr IRFZ-44N in driver side,in half bridge config.For protectiion I use 50 pcs.of 1N-5408 diodes.Ignition coils is stock,spark plug is NGK without resistor,cables is RG-6 foam coaxial.Mist maker is 36V,placed in engine intake manifold.Others is same.

Best reg.

Alpeko

P.S
Greg look on Aquapulser.This is like mine dc converter,and diode protection.

[Rednekhippy]

Please have a look at my post below which is also posted in the S1r replication thread and tell me what you think.

Hello from the Wet Coast (not a mistype) of Canada.

  This is my first post ever on any forum and I hope I haven't chosen a thread that has 'died'. The work that's being done here should be kept alive and well!
  I stumbled across S1r's video while surfing the net and was hooked instantly. So I decided to look into to it a bit further. After many nights of reading till my eyes bled and meditating on the info absorbed I was struck by a VERY strong mental image. It has taken me several weeks to read this thread and others (along with links/related articles) to get caught up to speed as to what it would take to make an ICE run on water. The more I read, the more this 'vision' I had is reinforced. There has been a couple of comments along the lines of what I've been thinking but they have not been given much attention. My friends and family are getting quite sick of hearing me rant on about this so I thought I'd overcome my shyness and share my thoughts here. This topic seems to have ground to a halt so whats the harm in giving it a kick in the butt. Well...here goes nothin...

  There seems to be 2 problems with the plasma spark:

  1) The spark isn't strong enough. This "brute force" approach seems to work well for gasoline(petrol) but it's not enough to explode water. From what I've seen/read so far this method seems to be a power hog and has a tendency to eat plugs.
  2) The "event" happens too fast to be of any use.

  Being and avid believer in the K.I.S.S. principle it would make sense to slow the "event" down. How? IMO vacuum is the answer. Just look up into space. It is just one giant vacuum where plasma can be sustained indefinitely. Joseph Papp understood this and used it in his motor. Cap70 proved this too when he said the engine in his video was in need of a rebuild. Could it be that blow-by past the rings was venting pressure on the compression stroke creating negative pressure when the plasma was being fired ATDC? Someone else (can't remember who now) mentioned they could fire their motor on water with retarded timing too but only for a short while. Could the heat caused from friction (causing air to expand) as the engine warmed up be counteracting the vacuum?
  Another piece of evidence for this vacuum theory is the sound of the engines in Cap70 and S1r's videos. I've heard this before trying to start an engine with the timing too far advanced. It will preignite and counter rotate sending fuel vapor/pillar of flame out the carb. It will also suck the exhaust valve open as the piston travels backwards down the exhaust stroke, causing that funny noise. Is that why S1r claims his El Camino runs with reduced power? Cause the valve springs aren't strong enough to keep the valves closed? It would also be a good reason to explain why the oil dosen't turn grey from water contamination (ever blow a head gasket?) caused by blow-by past the rings (which is inevitable in an ICE)
  The final straw for cementing this theory into my heart and mind (making that little voice in my head say: "I told you so") is even Stan Meyer uses the vacuum principle in his patents. This little secret is not mentioned in words but it IS there.

  "A picture is worth a thousand words"

  Have (another) look at patent #5,293,857 http://www.google.com/patents?id=fPEbAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=stanley+a+meyer scroll down to fig. 3 and tell me what is fundamentally WRONG with this picture.
  Are these guys using neg. pressure+plasma to create pos. pressure near BDC?

  Sorry this post has gotten so long but this has been building up in me for quite some time and I needed to get it off my chest. I am quite broke atm and can't afford to replicate. Also my electrical skills are not up to the level needed to build the plasma circuit. I am slowing gathering the materials/knowledge needed to test this theory myself and I call upon those who are set up already to try this out.

Any feedback of any kind would be appreciated.

TYVM,
Red

[gotoluc]

Hi Red,

I took the liberty to copy and paste your post here as the S1R topic does not have much activity these days so you may have more comments here.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Thanks Red for sending me your PM to introduce yourself

I'm happy to see your enthusiasm and interest of the idea of using plasma and water as fuel for an engine.

I do agree that we still need to do test with a vacuum instead of just compression. I do have a clear Lexan piston and cylinder that I have not finished building for testing this and many other combination.

I was waiting for the warm weather to one again continue with the experiments outdoors. The warmer weather is now starting but I was just offered some work last week and agree to it since I do need some more cash. So it will be a little slow from my side for the next couple of weeks.

Thanks for sharing and don't stop the enthusiasm

Luc