Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !

[infringer]

could you not make a coil around the washers themselves and see if they still spread and generate power at the same time or maybe have the washers as magnets instead like someone else suggested earlier in the thread?

not to piss on anybodies parade but this sounds like a worthy thing to look into...

-infringer-

[Sudonym]

I just scanned the thread and was surprised that no one has realized the effect described is a macroscopic analog of negative magnetostriction.
The same effect you see in a stack of washers happens at a molecular level in most feromagnetic materials -- it is called magnetistriction. Materials like iron and cobalt have positive magnetostriction coefficients-- which means they elongate along the direction of magnetic field and shrink tangentially. Materials like Nickel have a negative coefficient and shrink lengthwise but grow tangentially to the magnetic field.

In a solid material you can tune magnetoeleastic effect to achieve magnetoacoustic resonance -- something that would be extremely difficult in the devices you are making.

Dating right back to Hans Coler's devices there is evidence that magnetoacoustic resonance is a viable method for generating excess energy.

It was noted earlier in my post, people didnt seem to like it though.

"from...Magnetism in dense hexagonal iron
Gerd Steinle-Neumann,*† Lars Stixrude,‡ and Ronald E. Cohen§

in reference to iron in a magnetic field "magnetism tends to expand the lattice and increase the compressibility as compared with the nonmagnetic state."

[BEP]

@Mark

I must agree this is a macro version of one axis of magnetostrictive movement.

@Infringer

If you were referring to my comment about looking at this project from a different angle I didn't mean to imply I would use washer shaped magnets instead of washers. My idea has no washers in it, other than common fasteners used as such.

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@Butch

WOW! Big difference. Increasing the usage of a fixed amount of force or increasing the force? I'm starting to wonder.

[Butch]

could you not make a coil around the washers themselves and see if they still spread and generate power at the same time or maybe have the washers as magnets instead like someone else suggested earlier in the thread?

not to piss on anybodies parade but this sounds like a worthy thing to look into...

-infringer-

Infringer,
Look at magnet motor 6 on our youtube site, it uses permanent magnets.
Link > http://www.youtube.com/user/LaFonteGroup
Butch

[derricka]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this entire thread based on the idea that the in and out forces are more or less the same, and that the expansion force between the washers is "free" energy?  Butch's video has made it clear that significant energy will be required to "escape" with the washers expanded, or energy will be required to compress the washers for an easier escape. As you can't have your cake and eat it too, we are now left with two choices: Going in expanded or going in compressed. Even if one method yields more energy than consumed, a portion of the energy is still needed to escape.