Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !

[TinselKoala]

Hello, newton2!
I read all your posts very carefully, because I am of the opinion that you are one of the true brilliant jewels in this dark mineshaft of ideas. Sometimes it's a bit hard to decode what you are saying but it is always worthwhile to make the effort to understand you.
I agree--there are certain situations where the fields we normally consider to be "conservative" may, and I emphasize, MAY, be "tricked" in order to yield positive work from a closed integral. But the conditions necessary to work this trick are going to be difficult to achieve, and probably involve extremely high electric (or maybe magnetic or gravitic) scalar field strengths and steep vector gradients.
In the meanwhile, certain well-travelled paths in milder territories are known to lead to more-or-less costly dead ends, which is why it pays to attend to one's homework before hitting the drawing board.

[broli]

TK if you can't do it don't think it's impossible or even difficult.The solutions are simple when we see the answers. Myself I'm starting to lean less on the gravity wheel side. Sure it would be something to have a runner, but it will have to be rather big if you plan on energy production. This is why I'm leaning more heavily on electro magnetic systems. My true goal is to find and replicate what Tesla has found in his labs 100 years ago.

[derricka]

Has anyone here heard from Butch lately?  Considering that he started this thread, his absence is getting noticeable.
It would be be nice to hear from him, even if just to say hello.

[BEP]

Has anyone here heard from Butch lately?  Considering that he started this thread, his absence is getting noticeable.
It would be be nice to hear from him, even if just to say hello.

He said he was applying for a patent. I wished him well and that was the last I expected to hear from him.

Either he realized trying to make use of a supposed gradient was a mistake or he did discover something useful. Either way, I expected that would be the end.

[TinselKoala]

TK if you can't do it don't think it's impossible or even difficult.The solutions are simple when we see the answers. Myself I'm starting to lean less on the gravity wheel side. Sure it would be something to have a runner, but it will have to be rather big if you plan on energy production. This is why I'm leaning more heavily on electro magnetic systems. My true goal is to find and replicate what Tesla has found in his labs 100 years ago.

I agree mostly. That's why I am always careful to say that just because I couldn't replicate or produce an effect, doesn't mean it isn't there. And that's also why I try to get people to specify their hypotheses very well--define constructs, make predictions that are testable, and so forth. If a well designed experiment to test a well-posed hypothesis gives a null result, over and over, then we can "take a hint" and move on. On the other hand, if the effect is produced, and can be shown to be a result of an "ordinary" that is conventional physical cause, that's also an important result. Systems that, out of the starting gate, must violate known physical laws and principles in order to function as planned, shouldn't be allowed to distract creative and energetic researchers by enticing them down garden paths that are well-travelled and lead nowhere.