The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched

[hartiberlin]

Those wishing to enter the challenge will have to pay a US$5,000 entry fee, which is obviously pocket-change compared to the $1m that is on offer and will cover the costs associated with running the challenge.

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gary

Well,
I moved this thread into the scam area,
as this really seems to be a scam...

Why should you first pay 5000 US$ ?

Look at all the youtube videos e.g. from
Zero fossil fuel and others
who have modified their cars and get increased gas milage.

Normal ICE engines only have around 20 % efficiency.
When you can convert the efficiency to 40 % via an additional
HHO electrolyser, surely your milage will double.

You just convert your gasoline fuel more efficient.
Thus it is very easy to understand.

[alan]

I don't think this is a scam, but a pursuit for solid proof no matter the costs.
I do believe the claims are real and the prize is real, even though the money isn't there yet.

[TheOne]

First you don't need 5k to test the vehicle, before going into this process they are much simpler test to do such
as run the car with only 3L of gaz, get the distance without using the booster.

Then run the same test again with a booster, if without it you are doing 50km for example, if you go more then 62km with it you have a winner to check more deeply.

Also if you test the unit on your vehicle, why just not use an old vehicle you can pay 1000$ or less, old enough without O2, that will simplify the test... But even that they are some change needed, by adding an HHO unit, you can also decrease the throttle speed because you need less gaz btw.

Anyway why I say its scam, no proof, no site, no instructions, no backup from real peoples (just your word), its just about your trust, since I trust nobody without real proof its going nowhere.

[xjet]

First you don't need 5k to test the vehicle, before going into this process they are much simpler test to do such
as run the car with only 3L of gaz, get the distance without using the booster.

Have you not read how the challenge is to be run???

The vehicles will be monitored for SIX months, during which time they will undergo SEVEN lab-tests for fuel-consumption to establish whether the savings are sustained and at the end of that period the engines will be stripped and examined for damage that could result in premature failure (such as an over-lean condition causing piston/valve damage).

Your suggested tests are extremely simplistic and mean that someone could come along, tweak the ECU to produce the leanest possible mixture and show a significant improvement in fuel-efficiency -- at the cost of engine reliability and longevity.

A fuel-saving system that saves you $500 in fuel but costs you $1,500 in engine repairs is not a practical system.

Also if you test the unit on your vehicle, why just not use an old vehicle you can pay 1000$ or less, old enough without O2, that will simplify the test... But even that they are some change needed, by adding an HHO unit, you can also decrease the throttle speed because you need less gaz btw.

Because, to be fair to all entrants, it's important that the vehicles are of identical, make, model, mileage and age.  This means a relatively new, low mileage vehicle is the only way to ensure that everyone starts out on a level playing field.  If the cars were hi-mileage there's a real chance that some entering the challenge would say that *their* vehicle was faulty or had some unseen problem right from the start.

Anyway why I say its scam, no proof, no site, no instructions, no backup from real peoples (just your word), its just about your trust, since I trust nobody without real proof its going nowhere.

You mean like those "Run Your Car On Water" sites on the internet?

You mean like all those over-unity scams that show nothing more than YouTube videos and a whole lot of faux-science on website somewhere yet, despite the fact that they should be changing the world in which we live, aren't actually in production?

Let's face it, if one of the challengers *can* come up with a simple, practical system that provides a 25%+ fuel saving without compromising emissions or engine-life then it is worth a whole lot more than $1m to car-makers.  And don't roll out that old BS about the car companies being in league with the oil companies to suppress this information.

If the challenge is won, the world-wide publicity will ensure that such a conspiracy could never survive because the public would demand that it be fitted as standard equipment in all new vehicles.

I would have thought that if there was anywhere that such a challenge would be embraced by people with open minds it would be on a site like this - but I guess I was wrong.

The very fact that the challenge itself has been labeled a scam and moved to the scam area of the forums indicates that there are perhaps the only people who don't want the truth about whether this technology works or not revealed are those who know it doesn't work.

I have to say I'm more than a little disappointed -- but not surprised.

However, as I suspected, the challenge will only interest those who actually believe this HHO technology really works.  Those who know it doesn't will go out of their way to try and discredit it.

[TheOne]

Since its cost 5k, 99.9999999% will not even able to participate you eliminate all the peoples that just have no money to participate.

Yes they are some Cell that claim false result, I am aware of that. I don't really care about them because I ignore them. All need to do some research before buying there, its more simple to do it anyway and cost much much less.

On my last vehicle, that was a jeep v8, i was getting 15L/100km at the begining, I changed a lot of stuffs without even adding the HHO cell and at the end I was getting 10L/100km. So its quite easy to make better mileage anyway I have done it, so anybody can do it.

I think anyway that HHO cell is not really the way to go, better to convert your car with electricity (EV) or use water as fuel like the new thread on this forum is all about without any HHO cell.