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Overunity Machines Forum



Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08

Started by mondrasek, July 11, 2008, 04:55:49 PM

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TinselKoala

Quote from: mondrasek on July 19, 2008, 07:08:47 AM
Oh no.  I had some very weird realizations this morning.

Think about the path and speed that our switch magnets enter and exit the stator magnet field.  Path in:  Clockwise cicular path.  Path out:  Counterclockwise parabolic path.  Speed in:  Slow.  Speed out:  Fast.

Have we stumbled upon....?   I won't say it.

Have we?

No. The velocity of the interaction in th Mond wheel is waaayyyy too ssssllloowww to invoke any assistance or retardation due to the mysterious thing that you are reluctant to specify. We need microsecond time scales for that. And even so it is only an energy-subtracting mechanism.

TinselKoala

Quote from: boke on July 18, 2008, 07:33:31 PM
TinselKoala:

Those bearings don't look to be very free to me at all.

Even without the magnets installed your wheel comes to a fairly quick stop and does not even try to rotate in reverse. Either the wheel is perfectly balanced or you have a fair amount of drag in those bearings. I'm betting the latter. I've got bushings here that would allow the wheel to spin longer than those bearings.

Are there rubber seals in them that you could remove?

Please watch the "testing" video again. You are clearly wrong about your contention that the wheel "comes to a fairly quick stop and does not even try to rotate in reverse."
It does just that, after several of the trials including stators. A couple of times it even rocks back and forth.

And yes, the blank wheel is as perfectly balanced as I could make it. That's what those partial holes are for. The extruded Acrylic plastic scrap that I used is not very uniform in thickness or density, as ayone who has ever tried to balance such a wheel can attest. Nevertheless, the wheel in my videos is quite well-balanced, without the magnets in it. The magnets themselves add a degree of imbalance as they are not uniform in mass (they vary from each other by several hudredths of a gram).

therealrasta

Quote from: TinselKoala on July 19, 2008, 03:12:08 PM
Please watch the "testing" video again. You are clearly wrong about your contention that the wheel "comes to a fairly quick stop and does not even try to rotate in reverse."
It does just that, after several of the trials including stators. A couple of times it even rocks back and forth.

And yes, the blank wheel is as perfectly balanced as I could make it. That's what those partial holes are for. The extruded Acrylic plastic scrap that I used is not very uniform in thickness or density, as ayone who has ever tried to balance such a wheel can attest. Nevertheless, the wheel in my videos is quite well-balanced, without the magnets in it. The magnets themselves add a degree of imbalance as they are not uniform in mass (they vary from each other by several hudredths of a gram).

Your right.. And I can see how the 1/00 of a gram weight can throw off your wheel , since it is very small sized wheel.. So every detail is more critical.

boke

Quote from: TinselKoala on July 19, 2008, 03:12:08 PM
Please watch the "testing" video again. You are clearly wrong about your contention that the wheel "comes to a fairly quick stop and does not even try to rotate in reverse."
It does just that, after several of the trials including stators. A couple of times it even rocks back and forth.

And yes, the blank wheel is as perfectly balanced as I could make it. That's what those partial holes are for. The extruded Acrylic plastic scrap that I used is not very uniform in thickness or density, as ayone who has ever tried to balance such a wheel can attest. Nevertheless, the wheel in my videos is quite well-balanced, without the magnets in it. The magnets themselves add a degree of imbalance as they are not uniform in mass (they vary from each other by several hudredths of a gram).

I am talking about the video with the wheel unloaded.. no magnets or stators. It does stop quicker than it should. PERIOD. Look it makes no difference to me I'm not sure why I bothered to point it out.

TinselKoala

Quote from: Harvey on July 19, 2008, 05:43:56 AM
I see there are some serious attempts to make this work.

There are 3 points I see that need addressed.

1. The momentum of the mass must be sufficient to shear the fields of both exterior stators.
2. The speed of the wheel must be tuned to prevent centrifugal collapse of the interior magnet sets.
3. A diametrically magnetized interior stator magnet is key.



In addition to these points it should be considered that energy is lost during the abrupt speed change of the plunger magnets. It should be considered that these be treated as pistons connected to a crankshaft that assists the wheel in turning thus converting the kinetic linear energy to torque.

Cheers,

Harvey

I think Harvey's idea is an excellent one. I won't be able to try it for at least a month though, as I am travelling and I didn't take the wheel with me. (Customs officer: What's this? TK: It's a research prototype of a free energy perpetual motion machine. Customs officer: Uh-huh. Please go wait over there, sir, someone will be with you in a moment, and you can try to explain it to him.)
Maybe someone else can be persuaded to try it.

Right now I am in an internet cafe in Buffalo NY. This town illustrates that America has big problems. The walk from the motel to the neares bus stop was 1.46 miles (I carry a pedometer wherever I go). There were no sidewalks along the busy 6-lane road. It's saturday, so the bus comes at 12.03 pm and the next one is at 3.35 pm. The bus carried me along Genessee Avenue into downtown Buffalo. Perhaps 10-12 years ago, Genessee was lined with thriving small businesses and nice homes. Now, it is a wasteland. Very few businesses are open, lots and lots of buildings boarded up, homes with no roofs, no employment opportunities, very few people standing around (but they all have cell phones!!) It was a 45 minute ride through some of the worst urban decay I've seen. Getting to downtown, nobody walking around. At 1:30 on a Saturday afternoon! Finally someone in a Starbuck's directed me to a real internet cafe. 8 more blocks walk, and 4 dollars an hour at the cafe (PLUS TAX!!!) In the city I came from the internet cafes charge a dollar an hour, no tax. Why? Competition. There's practically one every other block in the downtown core.

And the computersin this cafe do not have Firefox installed (I complained to the mgr.) and the WindBlows OS is configured to store passwords (or it was, until I sat down.)

Then, about half-way into my sesson, some dude comes up and retrieves his USB key drive from the back port of this computer, that he "left there by accident."

I freaked out.

"Don't worry, your secrets are safe with me" he says.

Uh-huh. Now I have another item on my pre-takeoff checklist.