Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08

[mondrasek]

ThothTheSecond,

Unfortunately a magnet will only attract ferous objects.  It can only repel if interacting with another magnet.  At least as far as we know so far.

[ThothTheSecond]

Thanks for the reply, was just playing with a couple of small fridge magnets and a piece of metal and realized how silly an idea that was.  Hard to input anything with all you smart people here.  Back to my lurky chair.

[mondrasek]

We all played with magnets, and still do.

And let me add, any idea is worth listening to.  You'd be suprised how many will not listen to me.  But I must continue until someone shows me exactly how this will not work.   Everything I do leads me to the same conclusion:  This will work.  But as an Engineer I still cannot accept it myself.  It is too radical a change to my understanding of the Universe.

If it does not work I will continue on content with the life I have and had before this idea came to me.  I was not actively trying to make a gravity motor.  I was just looking at a Clanzer build and doing what I do best:  Working to simplify and optimize the design to save cost of manufacturing.  The mass switch idea happened by accident.  It's been a snowball running downhill picking up speed and size ever since.

Cheers,

M.

[dudeman750]

Are there any of you brainiacs who think you understand magnetism and gravity? I watched a show that dealt with quantum physics and part of it basically stated that science can't fully understand the principles. Don't magnets and gravity break your laws of physics? Isnt a magnet pulling a paper clip breaking some rule? And where does that energy come from? The fact that mass has gravity? Where does that come from? Where does the matter go into a singularity? Out a white hole? How does it get there? Through a worm hole? Is the matter time traveling? Does time even exist?

Ok enough fun, dont wanna shift the thread just kidding guys.

Ow. my head hurts... LOL

[TinselKoala]

Lots of interesting posts.
What I would like to see is a video of mondrasek's latches in operation. I understand their function but I do not understand exactly how they are implemented.
My magnet latch idea will work as intended but only with a third stator set to release the latch, and of course every time you have magnets moving past each other you have that "wall" which takes energy to overcome.
Magnet Helper seems to understand that you cannot extract energy from a conservative field--I laughed at the image of gravity motor builders getting lighter as gravity depletes.
I have detailed how to tell if your changes are helping, and I promised a video of me using this technique on the Evil Skeptic build. But I had no time today to do it. Maybe tomorrow.

But--I did make some stator mounts and improved the wheel hub to take out the bearing play. This unit almost runs--it actually accelerates occasionally at certain points around the wheel..then of course it slows down. The other folks in the lab are amazed, first that I of all people would build such a thing, then, they are amazed at how it "almost" runs.
Then I remind them that the PE of a mass depends only on its height and is independent of the route it takes to get there, and that to lift a mass, takes "work" which is energy expended during a time interval, and is also independent of the path taken to lift the mass. So, the wheel lifts a weight, doing a certain work on the mass, by lifiting it against gravity. Gravity then returns exactly the same amount of work as the weight descends. Not More!! Not even Less!! The same amount!!! That is why we call it a "conservative" field or force (it is actually neither a field nor a force, but that is beside the point, it is still conservative.) In the absence of all losses, spin the wheel and it will keep turning forever.  Introduce real world losses, like friction, like overcoming the magnet "wall", like air resistance, etc. and the wheel inevitably will slow down and stop.
Magnets "work" the same way. The addition of a repulsive modality doesn't change things one bit, wrt magnetism, which is also a conservative field or force.
Magnets do NOT do work!! Not even in an electric motor. The work is done by a prime mover, like the sun, which evaporates water which rains into reservoirs and is allowed to fall through turbines to convert some of the sun's power into electrical power, which is then used to React against the magnets in the motor to cause a torque. If you hold the magnets still (like in a mounted motor) the armature produces useful torque. The work is NOT coming from the magnets, nor is it coming from the gravity that pulls the water through the electrical turbine at the dam. It is coming from the sun, which lifted the water in the first place.

OK, there is one explanation as to why gravity wheels won't work. For them to work, either gravity must be depleted, as Magnet Helper says, or conservation of momentum must be violated. Neither of these things occur in this universe, and it's a good thing too, because if they did, we wouldn't be here.

So, here are some more pix of TinselKoala's Evil Skeptic build of the Mondrasek Magnet-assisted Gravity Wheel.


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