Total newb question...am I about to waste my time?

[fatso]

Ok, I've been touring the online videos, reading posts here, etc etc etc...

You people are damn smart!  Most of what you're talking about and doing just sails right over my head.
That, coupled with my extremely busy daily life, means that I just don't have the ability to experiment and tinker the way many of you seem to do (hats off to ALL of you!!!).

So I'm looking around the net for a system or plans I can just buy...but the "warning bells" are ringing in my ears and I'm concerned with making a bonehead sucker-buy decision.

I'm looking at the systems that allow you to turn your car into a hybrid.  I've found 2 candidates that "appear" to be valid.  If any of you have the time/interest, I would greatly appreciate any advice I can get on this before I go ahead with a purchase.

Here are the url's for the ones I'm looking at (I think they're the same thing, but one is half the cost of the other)....

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm

On a side-note, it occurs to me that this idea is great, but what about winters in Canada where the temp. goes WAY below freezing?  (ok, ok, I can hear the dog-sled jokes already...lol)

[tinu]

Hi,

I suggest you ask for rigorous and verifiable proofs and testimonials on ?Your car will become at least 40% more fuel efficient and produce cleaner emissions.?
I have no special training in laws but just my common sense. Yet, according to my (poor) understanding if your car becomes 1% more fuel efficient (which I strongly doubt it will ever happen) and 39% cleaner emissions, it will still satisfy the statement. Besides, you?ll need special equipments to monitor emissions and prove it is not so... I suggest you also read very carefully the ?Full Money Back Guarantee? and let me know what?s your understanding about how and when (/if) you?ll see your money back.

On the other hand, it looks to me you are interested in cutting the crap and trying the setup no matter what. 150$ is not a fortune, after all. It?s quite expensive for a book/guide that I, like many others around, can probably write it from scratch in matter of 1-2weeks and I?d say they have guts to sell it for that money but hey, that?s just my view. If I?m right in my assumption and you want to try it anyway, please report back once you've made your own conclusion. There are several users around who clearly posted about the whole business alike being a huge scam from technical/scientifically perspective, being solely centered on mlm/affiliating systems and finally on human greed.

Cheers,
Tinu

[TinselKoala]

Hi fatso
I just started investigating this subject so I have not yet come to any firm conclusions although I am inclined to agree with Tinu.
You might be interested in this short video and the two longer ones in the same location.
http://www.mediafire.com/?2ywmchlrjmj
Good luck, and please don't spend any money you can't afford to lose! Look at it like a wager with a moderate cost, a potentially high return, but a small probability of success.
--TK

[fatso]

Thank you both for your input...very valuable info, and pretty much what I feared.
I most definitely agree with you on the "human greed" issue....it's disgusting.  However, I also see nothing wrong with people being compensated for their time/effort/ingenuity.

I'm really confused though.  If actual output is so low, then that would mean that all other vids I've seen where people are showing their own systems are bogus.  I know there's a lot I'm missing here due to my ignorance on the subject, but it seems logical to me that both scenarios can't be true.

Truth be told, I don't even own a car.  I wanted this for friends/family, and in the hopes that I could adapt it to run a (currently) gas-powered generator, even if only a small home-made one.  The ideal scenario would be to be able to have a generator indoors, with soundproofing applied (already researched the soundproofing, and it's very do-able as well as fairly cost-effective)...but this is obviously not viable with anything gas-powered.

What do I do now?

If there are people here with know-how to design this and write it up, where is it?  Does it need to be purchased, and if so, please provide (as mentioned above) verifiable results and a price-list. If the only way I can get this happening is to pay, I'm more than happy to do so.

[TinselKoala]

Thank you both for your input...very valuable info, and pretty much what I feared.
I most definitely agree with you on the "human greed" issue....it's disgusting.

I'm really confused though.  If actual output is so low, then that would mean that all other vids I've seen where people are showing their own systems are bogus.  I know there's a lot I'm missing here due to my ignorance on the subject, but it seems logical to me that both scenarios can't be true.

Truth be told, I don't even own a car.  I wanted this for friends/family, and in the hopes that I could adapt it to run a (currently) gas-powered generator, even if only a small home-made one.

Where do I do now?

If there are people here with know-how to design this and write it up, where is it?  Does it need to be purchased, and if so, please provide (as mentioned above) verifiable results and a price-list. If the only way I can get this happening is to pay, so be it.

My results are only preliminary, so you can't really draw conclusions about other's outputs. The big flames you see from commercial torches are high-rate systems and/or using stored and compressed gas. High internal pressures may increase gas output, but are correspondingly more dangerous for the home tinkerer.

I think you probably need at least 10x my output rate, even to consider supplemental injection to improve efficiency (if that even works at all--data is mixed). And your cells and current sources correspondingly more complex.

Don't decide yet, but also don't rush out and buy a car. 

(and thanks for watching my videos)