Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[Sprocket]

Hi.  The notion that water molecules 'clump', hence the need for mixing, reminded me of an article I read on the transformation that occured in water that was subjected to the 'sun sounds' - basically NASA/ESA recordings of sun noise. An example: http://soi.stanford.edu/results/one_mode_l_1_2.au

Below is an image of water that was flash-frozen while being subjected to the sound.

[ResinRat2]

Hi Chris,

Sorry, I was mistaken my friend. I looked back at my notes and the only zinc plating I did beside plating on the zinc rods was plating on an electrode made of copper wire. I never actually plated zinc on a tungsten/carbide electrode by intention. My memory faulted me on this one.

I ran a few experiments without a zinc electrode using just the tungsten/carbide rods, electrolyte solution, and colloidal minerals without zinc and I got a good flow of hydrogen and oxygen gas, but no overunity. So I gave up on that direction. I don't have any details on whether the negative rod had a coating on it though. Nothing was recorded in my notebook on that, so I either didn't see one or didn't think it was important enough to record.

I apologize for that mistake.

[ResinRat2]

OK, it looks like I've settled on short regeneration times with on and off phases and jumping between two zinc electrodes for regeneration. I will be using Tacmatricx's configuration, but with two zinc electrodes.

I am finishing putting the large reactor together and fine tuning the regeneration timer. I should have my two-quart-sized-glass-jar-unit running by the end of this coming week.

It has been a LONG time coming but I think I have worked out most of the bugs.

Thanks for your interest.

[triffid]

Sorry,I've been away from this thread.I am moving next week into my new place and maybe 3 or 4 weeks later(end of dec)I'll start work on the hot acid solutions mentioned in the linnard griffin patent.Triffid

[ResinRat2]

OK, a few conclusions I have come to based off the work I have been doing on this project so far.

1) The advantage of Dr. Griffin's system is that it is spontaneous when using the sacrificial metal for the production of hydrogen. This metal can be regenerated at low voltage, but it is a bit tricky when trying to prevent the formation of zincates that eventually kill the reaction. This is minimized by regenerating only thin layers of zinc at a time, and then burning them off in the hydrogen producing reaction. Over long term, the zinc will eventually become zincated and the reaction will stop. So the zinc rod will eventually need to be replaced.

2) The reaction is naturally endothermic, and will draw energy from the environment by absorbing the heat differential from around the reactor. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be a large heat/energy draw. It would almost need a solar/heat concentrator around the unit to get the full advantage of the effect. In this case, it operates best when the sun shines.

3) If the use of strong acid or base could be eliminated, and the regeneration cycle could be eliminated, then some type of self-sustaining reaction might be developed.

4) Dr. Griffin is so far ahead of any work that I am doing that it is a waste of time for me to continue rediscovering his work. I need to research in a different direction.

Along these lines I stopped trying to find the ideal cycle/voltage needed for the zinc regeneration and wanted to try to develop a longer term operating unit that could use a solar/heat concentrator for self-sustaining operation. I dumped the zinc rods and replaced all electrodes with tungsten/carbide or thoriated tungsten rods. Since there was no zinc regeneration I eliminated the magnesium colloid and replaced it with double the silver colloid concentration. This would take advantage of Dr. Griffin's work that uses the high concentration of colloid to drive the reaction with lower energy requirements. I also replaced the caustic potassium hydroxide solution with sodium bicarbonate. The idea here was to try and take advantage of some earlier work that showed evidence of extra heat production when using sodium carbonate (which is very similar in structure to sodium bicarbonate) for low temperature fusion experiments.

I did several experiments and found that a very large heat differential could be developed using the sodium bicarbonate and silver colloid mixture powered by low voltage to produce hydrogen/oxygen. As a result, I will be starting a new thread that will post results along these research lines. My goal is to build a unit that will produce hydrogen that could be run through a fuel cell and self sustain the reaction as long as solar energy/heat are concentrated on the unit. It will run cold and use no caustic/acid for the electrolyte.

So, for now, I am stopping work on this thread. I think it is better if we wait for Dr. Griffin to finally give the world his technology, and not waste time doing double work on this project.

Thanks everyone for your support over the last couple of years. I just think we really need to start getting some viable technology out into the general population to start eliminating our dependency on oil. I am just not going to make that happen by what I am doing right now.