Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[Tacmatricx]

Hi Dave,

This thing is refusing to plate onto the tungsten???

I have a three electrode cell... one is the negative for my 1V supply, another is not connected and the final electrode is the positive. I have reacted a fair amount of zinc in the cell and am seeing no replating???

I have raised the voltage again and will keep raising it to let you know how it goes.

Chris

[ResinRat2]

Hi Chris,

Now that's odd. I assume all three electrodes in the cell are tungsten.

Question: When you ran this cell, were the only electrodes inside the cell during the reaction tungsten and zinc? Did you have any other electrodes in there like carbon or iron or aluminum?

When you say running the cell, did you mean that only tungsten and zinc ran for a period of a day or a couple of days before you tried the plating experiment?

If so, then insert an aluminum rod, or aluminum foil into the solution and let it sit. If there is any dissolved zinc to plate then it will plate on the aluminum like threads.

PM me or post your answers here. I am just trying to get all the details of what exactly is in the cell and what exactly you did to run it.

Thanks for letting me know. It is probably something simple.

[Tacmatricx]

Hi Dave,

"Now that's odd. I assume all three electrodes in the cell are tungsten." Yes, Three tungsten electrodes.

"Question: When you ran this cell, were the only electrodes inside the cell during the reaction tungsten and zinc? Did you have any other electrodes in there like carbon or iron or aluminum?" No additional materials were added and in addition the electrodes were cleaned and washed in distilled water.

"When you say running the cell, did you mean that only tungsten and zinc ran for a period of a day or a couple of days before you tried the plating experiment?" I placed a small bar of zinc in the bottom of the cell and allowed a tungsten rod to touch this for a day allowing all but the smallest bit to react into the solution.

"If so, then insert an aluminum rod, or aluminum foil into the solution and let it sit. If there is any dissolved zinc to plate then it will plate on the aluminum like threads." I will try this providing my attempts at raising the voltage fail overnight.

Thanks for your help!

Chris

[vTex]

Hi RR2 and all you guys;

Very interesting thread, I’ve read much of it and this is fascinating indeed, using a chemical reaction to produce hydrogen. You’ve really been persistent, ResinRat2 and the others, in doing all these experiments. Wonderful to read about all the teamwork that has been going on for close to 2 years in this thread.

I’ve experimented with making collodial silver the last couple of years, and have spent $6000 on parts and equipment for building a large 20 gallon generator, using two 8”x8” 99.9% pure silver plates in a special acrylic reactor chamber and of course deionized water. I measure the silver concentration using an Ag+ ion-selective electrode. It’s good stuff, and people report about all kinds of interesting stuff happening when ingesting it. After three weeks, one guy with chron’s could finally sleep the whole night without going to the bathroom five times a night. Boy he was happy!

The first requirement in making colloidal silver, or any colloidal, is of course deionized water. Just as important IMO is constant circulation, to disperse the particles and prevent buildup of colloid concentration around the electrodes, to keep the particle size as small as possible.

Making a collodial solution without circulation, in a glass of water, is bound to produce very large particles of silver, thus reducing the reactive area of the silver in the collodial suspension and also reducing the bioavailability of the silver particles to the body. That means that two 10ppm collodial silver suspensions might differ greatly in reactive area, depending on particle size. That goes for colloidal magnesium too, and all colloids. This might affect a lot of things in a chemical reaction, whether in vivo or in vitro.

In addition I personally believe that spiralling the water during the generation process is a must. Water is a living medium, and the water quality and energetic state might be extremely important in all experiments involving water. The difference between dead water that has gone through pipes, and living water, is as big as the difference between life and death, and should affect all chemical reactions involving water.

Also, water is a dipole, as you know, and it sticks together in clusters. Research has been done on restructuring the water into pentagonal and hexagonal structures, and it seems to make a big difference on the body. Restructuring is part of what happens during vortexing, and it apparently changes many of the characteristics of water. I am now building a vortex collodial silver generator, with a vortexer rod spinning in the center of two cylinders of pure silver 5 mm apart, all immersed in deionized water. This is a very interesting invention when it comes to high quality colloidal silver generation, the first of its kind as far as I know.

So apparently the quality of water is important, and water may be the most important ingredient there is in this world. And the structure of water is apparently affecting the quality of water in a great degree. Structure and order is the foundation of all there is.

Also my experiments so far, as well as my studies in medicine and the human system (which is composed mainly of water) has told me that circulation is one of the most critical factors of life. When circulation stops, life stops. Circulation means energy exchange and communication, critical aspects in any reaction.

So I wonder, what benefits might structured water, high quality colloids and circulation have on this hydrogen experiment? You might for instance spin the three tungsten rods, with a little tungsten leaf attached to the bottom end of them, in the water. Then you will get both the vortex effect, regenerating the water as a medium, and you will get circulation.

I mean, if there is a problem with buildup of stuff on electrodes, why not consider the state of the medium of the reaction?

I believe it is not common in chemistry circles to consider the water medium in these ways, but in nature when you get buildup, it is often due to a lack of circulation. Structured water has the ability to keep more stuff in suspension, and might allow for a greater degree of proper regeneration. Also in the body, that happens.

Another reason of buildup in the body, is to protect and shut-off parts of the system from communication with the rest of the body. We see that for instance in calcium encapsulation of ”stuff”. The reason might be faulty communication, and the medium might be the culprit as it is the medium of communication and has the ability to interfere with everything that happens and all signals being sent. Thus a buildup might serve as a protection of the effect of faulty communication, and that created the need for the production of the residue in the first place, so protection could be accomplished. I know this is turning things a little upside-down, but it’s a piece of advice: always also consider things as a whole, not just as singular and isolated parts. What needs do the parts have, and why do they have those needs. It's all about creating an environment where dynamic and balanced interchange might occur.

Anyways, I like the idea of two different colloids reacting, producing some kind of dynamic balance/interchange. That is a good starting point and resonates with the principle of duality and dynamic balance of two opposing poles, another universal principle.

My reasoning here is to give you an idea that when you can’t get clear and definite answers by focusing in on stuff, try letting it go and defocus and consider the universal principles, as they are all eventually replicated down to the smallest level of things. As above, so below. That way you get better communication between the left and right brain, and it might help you solve things.

As for the timer system, you can just use several 555 timers on some veroboard, and then you can control delay, duty-cycle and so on with a few pots. They are very cheap and require very few external components to run, and they can drive regular 12V relays, and you might not even need that.

Also with a 555 timer you can generate a square-wave DC pulse to feed the electrodes. That is used for regenerating lead-acid batteries, and that works wonders on them, reducing buildup of stuff on the electrodes.

And when you are working with water, why not set it all up as an orgone accumulator?

I’m serious! Why not combine all these ideas, vortex generation, circulation, frequencies and orgone accumulation? LOL..... I mean, they are all used in the human body, the greatest innovation in the universe. We’ve got a couple of things to learn just from studying how we ourselves are constructed

Anyway, you’ve got my interest â€" I’m going to get some tungsten rods and start experimenting on this, while working on my Bob Boyce hydrogen generator and various other generators..... guys â€" I believe this is a very interesting research field and a lot of fascinating discoveries are waiting just to be made!

Have a nice day, all!

[ResinRat2]

Wow, nice post vTex,

I agree with you about the circulation of the electrolyte. There does need to be some type of movement of liquid during the cell's operation. Right now the constant churning of the bubbles does give some mixing, but other than cold and warm spots the liquid is pretty much stationary. I think electrolytes and the minerals tend to start congregating around the zinc electrodes because of their negative charge during regeneration and it starts to "starve" other areas of the cell that need these ions for the reaction. It was just something I never really considered because I was too caught up in studying the workings of the reaction.

As far as the colloids go, I buy the best I can find right now from wateroflife.com. The colloidal solutions are as clear as pure water, no color; so I know they are small particle sizes. That was something I was going to look into much later as a cost cutting measure; but, again, it was not high on my priority list.

As far as the 555 timer. My large hydrogen fuel cell only outputs 3-5 watts, and the 555 timer needs a minimum of 4.5 volts to operate, so I was staying away from that type of circuitry until later on. That is why I ended up using the clock as a timer because it runs off a 1.5 volt AA and was easy for the fuel cell to power.

I am looking forward to your experiments and I wish you good luck. Keep us posted on any interesting findings you run across.

Thanks again.