Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[Dingus Mungus]

I believe this has potential for these reasons; and that is why I am willing to fund and put in effort on this project. This is for the world to see, not just us here in this forum. So now that we all are clear on how I feel about this project, let's just all get on with our work and try and better the world for the future and the future of our families.

DITTO!!!


Resin,
I'll look arround this weekend and even swing by a lowes or home depot. Hopefully I can work out a design that will still allow for further developement later, but I'm going to have to order some custom ss316 sputter plates (1/4"x1" discs). So I might have to send you some required components. Also I'm planning on ording a pound or two of WC sinter... Lots of surface area that way, and based on your latest results I believe that cathode surface area is key in this process. Any who... I'll draw up a rough draft tonight and follow it up with a 'to scale' design by monday. Altho I know for a fact that PVC can not be our final solution since heat is our ally and fuel. PVC should work for now though, but it will not truely reflect this cells full capabilities. I'll be back tonight with some concept art to get your input.

Thanks for everything,
~Dingus

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Sorry I didn't get a chance to post on Friday night... Today was a little crazy, but I got some PH strips and went to home depot and started looking at easily obtained parts. I'm think only a few components need to be clear, and that will help lower the overall costs. I marked the parts I think need to be clear with a "c".

Also since you were on point and got the air type PEM we can use a gravity driven pressurization. By having a higher water level on the open zinc side of the cell, we can use constant pressure to ensure full output wattage of the fuel cell via pressure and easy access for maintaining a propper water level. The water drops being pulled down the drip line will cause vacuum and pull fresh air in to the fuel cell.

As for the projected operation of the cell... As long as the reactor is making more hydrogen then the fuel cell can consume the water level should drop on the cathode side of the cell from building H2 pressure. Turning the reactor off will allow the fuel cell to catch up thus balancing the water level, but we could also use a POT to manually adjust the speed of hydrogen production via variable resistance.

Let me know if there are any aspects of the design you are conserned about, or if there are any potential problems that I may have missed. I hope this design is everything you were hoping for.

Thanks again,
~Dingus

[ResinRat2]

Hi Chris,

Thank you very much for your work on the diagram.

It's getting close. I did not describe the fuel cell enough in detail to you. There is only one input for a hose, and that is the hydrogen input. The oxygen is obtained from the air through a series of four open slots on the opposite side of the cell. The water that is formed from the reaction is precipitated in the form of droplets on the housing of the fuel cell. That is why in my diagram I have a funnel below the fuel cell.
I apologize I did not describe that aspect of the cell for you.

In my diagram I had the oxygen tube running from the zinc side of the unit through a tube to the fuel cell. My intention is to collect the oxygen produced by the zinc regeneration and feed it as close as possible to the slots on the fuel cell. That way I am hoping the efficiency of the fuel cell will be enhanced. I guess that part of the whole apparatus can be considered open to the atmosphere.

So there is no opening in the bottom of the fuel cell to connect a tube to for the collection of the water. It just drips off the sides of the fuel cell.

Something is not quite right to me about the way it is designed. I can't put my finger on it yet. Let me look at it for a bit. Otherwise it looks great. Nice graphics. I like the SS discs and bolt on the bottom.

In my glass jar hydrogen experiment at home there is a layer of grey precipitate on the bottom . Must be the zinc flakes. I regenerate the cell twice a day for about two minutes with the same AA battery. I've been doing that  for days now. The cell keeps going and regenerates fine, but the flakes keep happening. Your idea for the ss disc should make that problem disappear.

Like I mentioned, let me look at it for a bit. I will be busy today, and tommorrow I am going up to Michigan to be with my mom for an operation she needs. So I'm not thinking with a full head right now. I am a bit distracted. Give me a little time and I will get back to this as quickly as I can.

Thanks again Chris.

Dave

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OIC

Well even if we can't use the draining water to create a pressure vacuum, the PEM will still pull its own air. As for pressurizing the the O2 side of the cell, I think it wouldn't make much of a difference outside of making the design more complicated. The only thing that must be pressurized in a H2/Air PEM is the H2, but eventually we will need to design a fully sealed cell. We'll need a H2/O2 3 hose sealed PEM to do that though.

Hope all is well for you and your family,
and that all goes well in the coming days...
~Dingus

edit: I've spent more time thinking about the O2 adding efficiency to the fuel cell... I'll be back to upload another sketch soon.

[Dingus Mungus]

Ok,
same gravity powered pressure system, but now with the added pure O2 delivery system...