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Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

Started by hartiberlin, October 04, 2005, 06:54:25 PM

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Dingus Mungus

How do you think a fuel cell works?
It uses the spontious reaction you describe to release electricity and heat.

ResinRat2

Hi Biggs,

We use the platium as a catalyst in the braking of double bonds in chemical reactions, and it does corrode when in contact with concentrated basic solutions. I think this can be avoided by simply piping the hydrogen to another chamber with distilled water and the platinum above it. This would make it less likely to corrode. I'm just throwing out thoughts. Platinum is not cheap, that's for sure, but it might still be cheaper than a regular fuel cell.

I need to do some searching for other cheaper precious metals that might do this. I wonder if silver would be active enough as a catalyst for this purpose?
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

ResinRat2

I found this in my CRC "Handbook of Chemistry and Physics" (63rd Edition 1982-1983) (Now everyone knows how old I am lol) under "The Elements" section describing Platinum:

:o"Hydrogen and Oxygen explode in the presence of platinum." :o

Hmmmm, Biggs gave a warning that is good to keep in focus.

I didn't want to do fuel cell research anyway. lol.
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

Dingus Mungus

Hmmmmmm.... you both may have a point...
But that metal is used in all PEM fuel cells.

???

ResinRat2

I think the conditions have to be just right for the detonation. The design of the fuel cell must keep it safe. Also, hydrogen won't detonate without oxygen, so keeping the oxygen at a minimal level when in contact with hydrogen should render a safe condition. Think, one electrode in the hydrogen chamber, the other electrode in the oxygen chamber. Separate, without chance of contact. That would seem safe. For a fire you need three things, heat, oxygen, and fuel. Eliminating any one component eliminates the chance of fire.

Chris, if you have a diagram of a fuel cell that uses platinum, I would be very interested in seeing its design. That should answer the safety question.
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.