Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[walterj7]

Resin,

With the connection between chambers made by electrolyte, I understand why you made those angled holes between chambers. However it seemed that you were worried about contamination of Gases. Ok I understand that and I was/am worried about that.  The reason I was worried about contamination was because I did not want any oxygen gas mixing with the hydrogen gas. The hydrogen gas is going into a fuel cell and producing electricity. If oxygen gets into the hydrogen side of the fuel cell it can interfere with the production of electrical current. The way I want my reactor to work there will be both hydrogen and oxygen gases coming off at the same time. That is why I needed to keep them from mixing.

Iââ,¬â,,¢m thinking of building something that looks like the ââ,¬ËœLââ,¬â,,¢ shaped one, mainly because Iââ,¬â,,¢m not to good with miniature stuff!  I know we/I havenââ,¬â,,¢t actually seen it, and the small reactor looks different, but this electrolyte connection without allowing gas to contaminate the other side looks kind of important to me and Iââ,¬â,,¢m interested in exploring your thoughts on this subject. I know from your posts at the time of construction you were not very happy with how the angled hole thing worked out. What I was disappointed in was that the angle of my holes are not quite steep enough to completely stop the mixing. This I will correct in the future. Again, this is because I am putting the gas through a fuel cell to produce electricity.

Do you think a more conventional opposing baffle might do the job if all your worried about is gas contamination while still giving maximum electrolyte contact to the chambers?  Draw me sketch of what you are thinking of. I am open to any ideas right now.

From the picture on the video it doesnââ,¬â,,¢t look like he (Dr. Griffin) has anything very complicated, if in-fact anything at all in that demonstration. After all he didnââ,¬â,,¢t really show anything except making 70 liters of Hydrogen (per minute) and that with (he said) Iron ? elemental Iron if Iââ,¬â,,¢m not mistaken. What was that all about do you think? His reactor was set up to just produce hydrogen, and thatââ,¬â,,¢s all. He was not interested in regeneration of the zinc electrode because all he was doing was running a small go-kart engine off of it. Any oxygen that was produced would just go into zinc oxide or into the engine and burn.  No fuel cell involved there.  My guess is he was using one of the experiments that use an acid-iron reaction. Thatââ,¬â,,¢s why he mentioned elemental iron. I am using experiment #13 which uses tungsten/carbide-zinc-sodium hydroxide. His reaction is (as he mentioned) higher catalyst (concentration) levels. So it was out of control for him.

What I am doing differently is I am going to use two fuel cells. One will feed current back into the reactor to regenerate the zinc and produce oxygen at the same time that hydrogen is being produced. The other fuel cell will power some device (fan, etc.) That is why mine is not the same as his.

Well I'm also I'm thinking of is pure Hydrogen  gas hence the interest on separation of Gases.

However unlike you I have 2 uses for the gas. one is for a fuel cell too. The other is to fuel the ICE that powers my 6KW Colman generator.

I plan to start with pure Hydrogen and then I can combine Oxygen when/where needed.

I'll be glad to get something sketched to show you what I have in mind.

My original plan is starting some basic HHO experiments on my ICE with a cell I'm expecting to be delivered tomorrow (from Paul Zigouras) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JosdqBMg_mk which is designed to power a much larger engine than I have. So I will be able to perfect the ICE running on HHO.

With ICE running smoothly  I'm then going to tackle the new reactor and generation of Hydrogen without Oxygen. Baby steps as it were.

Thanks so much for your help!

Walterj

[bitbo]

Walter wrote:
>However unlike you I have 2 uses for the gas. one is for a fuel cell too.
>The other is to fuel the ICE that powers my 6KW Colman generator.

I am currently converting my 2KW generator to run on hydrogen.
First i start with an Hydrogen bottle (150psi) to be able to run the
engine and get that part up and running smoth. I would not like
to have two problems at once. The 150 psi from the bottle are
reduced by a control valve to 5psi on which the engine runs.

Having that part of the system ready and running i am able to measure
the consumed volume (liter of gas) very exactly.

Afterwards i am able to design / scale up my reactor in such a manner that
it will produce at LEAST the same volume at 5 psi, than my engine consumes
at 2KW load  (do not use idle or no load on generator). My reactor has to be
designed for a maximum presseure of 10psi then.

Please consider to separate the reactor build process from the generator adaption!
That will make life much more easier.

just my two cents...
bye, bitbo

[bitbo]

Hi again !

I made some calculations regarding the amount of gas my 2KW generator
may need to run a 0.2 KW load:

The generator consumes 0.350 liter Gas per hour at 0.2 KW load, which is an energy of apprx. 12 MJ
(Gas has apprx. 43 MJ per liter - see www.Wikipedia.com)

1KG Hydrogen has 120 MJ
12MJ results in 0.1 Kg Hydrogen.

further have 1000 liter (one m?) Hydrogen 10 MJ of energy

That means i need 1200 liter (at atmospheric pressure) of hydrogen to run my generator at 200 watt load.
That means i need 20 liter hydrogen per minute for 200 watts

THAT ARE ARE LOT OF BUBBLES !!!
I am sure we can get them in reactor V4, but right now i am building reactor V0.90 - so please do not expect to hear my success stories next week...

Bye, bitbo

[walterj7]

bitbo, how long have you been working on the generator part?

[walterj7]

bitbo,

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before. I actually have 3 parts to my project.
Part 1 is to get my 6KW ICE generator to run on HHO from my cell I've ordered from Paul Zigoursa.
          Zigouras's cells produce copious amounts of gas and this one is rated at somthing like 60 liters/per minute.
Part 2 is to build the Griffin Reactor in a 'L'  shape as in his old Video and a Fuel cell to it.
Part 3 is to then also add replicate the Part 1 with the new reactor powering the genset.

I agree it's ambitious but that's my mid term goal.

Walterj