How a Testatika motor works?

[f_dyne]

Hi,

I also found a possible theory:
http://utenti.lycos.it/fischerconsulting/testatpu.html

F_dyne

[sm0ky2]

i came across this interesting diagram, allegedly drawn by paul, this simplifies the operation of the machine "black box" style.  the actual function of each component can be fufilled in several ways,

antanena and ground are pretty self explanatory.
"motor control" is simply their Tap. lost of ways to do this, triboelectric, frictional, ect
van-degraff had a good way to do this, i think the one thats best and used in this device is a wimshurst style counter-rotating disk design. This facilitates the flow of charge separation.
the Storage, is essentially two oppositely charged HV capacitors or leyden jars.
conversion is where most people and the world of science as a whole falls apart.
    This conversion is a controlled discharge of the 2 oppositely charged leyden jars, to a common earth ground. The resulting current flow is then transformed to a low-voltage, high current electricity, which will be triangular-waved, and out of phase, so must then be regulated to produce a coherent  2-phase output.

Where this differs from conventional transformers, is the flow of electrons in the primary windings is a low freq triangle-wave. electrons are flowing in one direction during the first half of the cycle, then being sucked back out during the other half in an attempt to balance out the charged leyden jars. The result of this is a heating effect during the positive cycle, and a cooling during the negative cycle, net result is the transformer does not heat as would be expected from 'normal' electricity.

[ Conventional discharge (spark/arc), where positive flows to negative for a sustained time will result in infinitely increasing heat, as seen in an arc welder, or large lightning strikes ]

the inductor converts the HV to low voltage (100V-1kV usually) and moderation can be done in several ways, band-pass filter rectification or such.
i believe Testatika uses two identicle induction coils on the output of their rectifier.
forcing the output to be a specific frequency (im assuming this is within the rated freq. of their appliances?)

There was a guy in the mid 1900's, used a wimshurst in a similar manner to light flourescent bulbs.
by arcing onto two contacts, which eventually melted and had to be replaced.

anyways here the drawing, enjoy.

[TinselKoala]

If, and it's a big if, the Testatika is an electrostatic device working on the principle of electrostatic induction, then I'm sure that plenty of voltage can be obtained at really low rpm. Once the machine has reached an initial charge, it's easy to keep it charged with very slow rotations (as long as the design is clean: no sharp edges to spray corona, good insulation, etc.) The problems are the "down-conversion" problem, as sm0ky2 has outlined, and the problem of where the extra energy must come from (it can't be coming from the rotation per se, or the rotation's power source, this at least we know.) I agree that the key might be in what is happening between the disks.
I've got no problem generating high voltages at low rpm. I'm working on the down-conversion problem, but my best idea so far is kind of like a reverse-Marx bank, and that seems wasteful of energy. And I'm looking between the disks for any possible source of excess energy (assuming all the while that Testatika is real and electrostatic.)
In my sectorless research machines of the Bonetti type, I have often observed an extremely unusual plasma or corona between the disks (the normal and expected corona is on the surface and edges of the discs). This corona occurs in the sector of the disks between the neutral structures and is related to the voltage produced by the machine. In my designs all neutral structures and pickup combs are independently movable, and it is a key feature that is not often seen in other designs. The angle of the "V" formed by the neutral structures on either side of the machine (one "V" facing up, the other down) determines the voltage to which the machine will charge, and it is in this region that the strange plasma occurs. With the angle of the V wide, as in most Bonetti and nearly all Wimshurst machines, the voltage will be relatively low, and this special corona may not be seen. But in my design the angle can be made more acute, and when it is small the machine reaches much higher voltages and the strange corona may be observed. It is paler, and maybe pinker, than the normal edge corona, and is shot through with tiny twinkling sparkles, like a starfield.
You can barely see it in the picture below. Look at the top region of the disks, in the area between the neutral structure supports.
(The left-hand sphere is 5.5 " (140 mm) diameter. The sparks are estimated 200 kilovolts, 200+ mm in length. The exposure is 15 seconds at f/2.8. I counted 13 sparks in that time. The white blur at the right is a pvc rod I use to focus the E-field to initiate the longest sparks.)

[sm0ky2]

think is it as discharging two capacitors, one after the other, but one is hooked up backwards.

they both discharge to a common earth ground, by a sparkgap.
you must use the principles of induction to "consume" one form of energy and generate another,
this electricity is not the same as the 'unidirectional' electricity we use to power motors

one spark induces current in one direction, the next spark induces it in the other.

you cant make a direct connection, even attempting to do so would send sparks flying all over your apperatus, all kinds of heat and other problems.. there have been very few sucesses in direct conversion of static -to-conventional

the rotating disks here do not create the charge, they simply move the charge out of the way so more can be collected.
if you can figure out which sides the charge is flowing FROM and TO in that above machine, and attach an earth ground comb to the disk on that side of the machine opposite the pick-up comb., attach a comb to an anteanna, opposite the pick-up comb on the other disk, you should be able to increase the output of your machine.  Watch where the "pink stuff" is flowing to.
it comes out of the ground, flows into one disk, and to the surface of the other disk, this draws an opposite charge on the other side of that other disk. the opposite charge does the same thing and they both try to meet somewhere in the middle. each one pulling more charge in from the other as its carried away by the rotation and collected at the pick-ups.



there is a charge, albeit low voltage, at any point above gound. at 1 foot it might only be 30v or so,
but a small electron pump can be set up with that small of a difference in potential. its constantly replenished by the air above it limited by the impedence of the local atmosphere.

colllected charges can quickly add up to thousands, even hundreds of thousands of volts.
voltage adds linearly with quantity, current is limited by electrostatic impedence of the conductor.
  { which, at a high enough voltage, anything can be a conductor}

[AbbaRue]

Did someone say that when 2 plates of a capacitor  with a charge on them are brought closer together
the voltage drops, but the charge stays the same?
If you charge up a capacitor with a compressible dielectric the plates are drawn together by electrostatic attraction.
If you use a high enough voltage you should get quite a static attraction and thus quite a bit of compression.
This type of capacitor would compress the high voltage static into a lower voltage that could be utilized.
A switching circuit could draw off the compressed voltage to an outside circuit.
Once the static attraction is withdrawn the plates again separate ready for the next charge.
Setting up a number of these caps. could provide a continuous flow of power.

One question I have; Would the plates on the wheels approaching each other work in a similar manner?
The closer the plates get to being directly over each other the more the voltage would drop and the capacitance increase.
Then as soon as the plates are directly over each other a brush makes contact with them and draws off the compressed energy.
Then as the wheels continue to rotate they pick up more static charge and repeat the process.

So this presents 2 similar yet different concepts as to how this machine might work.
Maybe it uses both concepts together.