Pros and cons of permanent magnet motors

[utilitarian]

your postion is not like a very strong religion faith ?

No, every element of what I believe can be proven.  If new evidence came about contradicting my view, and this evidence was validated, I would change my view immediately.

[AB Hammer]

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No, every element of what I believe can be proven.  If new evidence came about contradicting my view, and this evidence was validated, I would change my view immediately.
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(every element of what I believe)!!! Thump Thump

But until then you will continue to nay nay nay, until proven wrong. Just like I said, Human nature.

They only problem, and I do mean the only problem is, the nay say is also saying don't even try. That is when I have a problem with those people who don't want me to see it for myself. But what your are saying in (I would change my view immediately) is telling me that your views don't go past your books until a new book or edition is done. I am sure that is not exactly what is, but it is the way you are presenting your argument.

[mike-ao]

Lets go hypothetical. A 1ton magnet that has a constant strong draw. What do we know of today that can lift it and move it around without getting stuck on it?

why you guys are thinking about large magnets in big sizes? in case there will exist an OU-magnertmotor, producing 10kW of electric power, then this unit would not be such a large machine.

for larger energy it's practicable to connect an array of generators together. it's also better if you have to do any repairs on one of those unit's, without affecting the others in the array.

mike

[mangyhyena]

I think mike-ao hit the nail on the head.  Once we have a magnet motor that is capable of producing a usable amount of electricity, it should be fairly simple to upscale the power without using more powerful magnets.

You could increase the size of the wheel or drum to hold more stators and more arrays.  This would increase the power without having to use magnets so powerful they become difficult to work with.  Lets say you get a disc going and it produces 10K.  To get that disc to produce more power you would need to make the disc larger so it can hold more magnets to the disc and have room to add more stators around it.

Also, if someone gets a permanent magnet motor running, without having to add electricity to an electromagnet, and the powers that be fail to suppress it, I do not believe it will qualify as over unity.  Here is why; if we get one going then it will prove magnets can do useful work and hence are a source of power.  What should happen is that someone figures out a conversion of magnetism to electrical or mechanical power and applies that conversion to the magnet motor to figure out how much power is being used to power the motor.  I believe what we will find is that the output power is not as great as the power coming from the magnets.  But this is just my opinion, which counts for exactly nothing on this as I'm not qualified to argue my point.  lol.

Now for the big health question.  At what point would the magnets in the magnet motor create a magnetic field that is dangerous to humans when in close proximity?  If the government claims a magnet motor is a health risk and declares them illegal, will they have a valid point?  And, could we shield the whole magnet motor so as to keep the magnetic field from endangering humans and pets?  Perhaps by putting it in a metal box that shields the magnetic fields and keeps people and pets safe from the effects of the magnetic field even when standing close to the motor?

And one more point.  If we get a magnet motor to work and it doesn't get suppressed and citizens around the world can easily replicate the motor in their garages or mud huts, how long would it take before the demand for magnets outstripped production?  And how long until industry could ramp up production to meet demand? 

Fun question.  Thanks for posting this thread.

[mangyhyena]

Uses for a permanent magnet motor?

Powering homes with electricity either by directly feeding the home with a 12 Kilowatt generator or recharging a battery bank with an alternator.

Portable electric generation for camping or in RV's.  (Said RV should also be able to travel using the electricity provided by the magnet motor, sans the gasoline or diesel.)

A power source to either recharge batteries in an electric car or perhaps to even directly feed the electric motor.

Hydrogen production at home for the purpose of running current ICE motors in our cars.
HHO production on the fly in a gasoline engine, perhaps enough to power the vehicle sans the gas.

Powering a desalination plant to turn salt water into safe drinking water for populations with scarce sources of drinking water.  (Looks like the elites intend to make drinking water the next big ticket item by touting the fact that we're running out of it.  Think of the price hikes on gasoline and translate that to drinking water.)

Power source to irrigate crops in countries with scarce food resources.  Also a source to power farm equipment for harvesting.  Also a source of power to transport those crops from the fields to people who need to eat.

Power source for villages in 3rd world countries that do not have access to power.  This would help with drought, starvation, and the standard of living in general.  (Water and food can be brought to the villages cheaply.  And what the heck, some air conditioning might be nice for the hot climates.)


Quite simply, a working magnet motor that is easily replicated by the average citizen would change everything you know about societies and power sources within 10-15 years.  Nothing will look like it does now when someone comes up with a working magnet motor that produces electricity in usable quantities made from off-the-shelf parts that is easily replicated by the average citizen.  Power to the people!  Literally.