Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !

[Shanti]

LOL, I don't mind if some people wanna believe Hitler's still alive or that Nazi's still are somewhere hidden...etc...etc...

If some people wanna believe this, they can. Everybody can believe whatever he likes, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.
But please, I think this has now gone quite far too offtopic in this thread!
I wouldn't mind if it has something to do with Carr's device, but the discussion has really already gone from this theme.
Thank you.
Sorry I started this, by posting an allegedly VRIL-Schema. I also don't know if this whole Vril/Haunebu-story is true. As all the information about it is actually from one source (Jürgen Ratthofer), the rest just always copied from him (e.g. van Helsing). And Ratthofer himself never ever mentioned the source for his stories and documents, more than that, he even declared in the foreword of his books, that this doesn't have to be correct what he's writing!

I myself was just astonished when I saw these allegedly Vril-Schemas, as they really look very similar to the Carr-Device.
There are just 2 major differences:
* Carr's device also has outer Utrons
* The Vril-Devices are mounted so that the inner part can not only rotate around the central axis, but also rotate a little bit on the x-y-plane.

I was astonsihed, as according to how I understand these devices work, it should really be able to fly.
The outer Utrons are IMHO really just for additional regeneration (produce energy) and at the same time they rotate on their own around the central Utron. Which means, the Vril device would need to put always quite some energy to keep the rotation, whereas the Carr-device would do it on its own.
The complicate x-y-plane mount of the Vril could have been necessary to be able to dampen the precessional movements  which will happen during the flight.
Today one would control this by directly computer controlling the outer magnets, so it would not be really needed anymore. But at that time, maybe this mechanical dampening principle was more doable than some electric controlled thing.
As I said. I don't know if the Vril/Haunebu-stories are real. And even if they would be real, how much of it would be real.
But according to my understanding the schema I posted at least would make sense.

Just for speculation purposes:
How would the germans have got to this idea?
* Well from telephatic messages from Aldebaran...  (Well if you wanna believe this, I don't)
* Schaeppeller invented quite some similar devices. But he used spherical coils. And in the schema are conical coils. Second if it would be based on him, it would almost certainly also have outer Utrons, as this was his major thing, to drive machines with the power that the outer Utrons develop around the central Utron!
* From Schauberger. It is known that Viktor Schauberger had to work some time for the Nazis. He developed the so called "Repulsine". But this device is quite different from the other devices, as it works on a water/air mechanical principle, although it surely is based on the same physics. But even Schauberger himself said, that they will never be able to build such one without him, as there are too many secrets he kept for himself.
* They got it from Tesla. It is known, that the late Tesla declared, that he invented a flying machine without wings and propellers...It is also known, that one of his few friends was a german spy. So it could be possible that Tesla explained him something or even showed him something. But he certainly would not have understood the complete physics behind it. And he maybe just saw some early prototype. As if they would have understood the principle they would certainly also have mounted outer Utrons.
Carr, as declared by Ralph Ring, was Tesla's disciple. So he certainly would have known the principle behind this. So he surely used the outer Utrons.
Well surely this all is just some pure speculation. But sometimes I like to speculate...

[storre]

LOL, I don't mind if some people wanna believe Hitler's still alive or that Nazi's still are somewhere hidden...etc...etc...

Yes Hitler's dead so lets move on He died in February 2004, in Bethesda, MD at the age of 114 year old!  His American alias was William Coates. Look him up and you will see more.

But back to Carr

One thing I don't hear much talk about is how the ship was controlled. I recall Carr or Ralph Ring saying that in their test flight of the 45' craft that it was controlled by the intentions of the occupants. I suppose they thought were they wanted to go and the ship just took them there.

Every time I think about that I wonder if that is not just our pineal gland (radio receiver and transmitter?) that is doing this. Our pineal is known to be a water filled endocrine gland and water is a very interesting substance.

I also recall "project looking glass" and a description of a tube containing water surrounded by a magnetic field.

Perhaps a magnetic field is a shield for whatever is inside of it's field. Similar to how earth's magnetic field protects it's occupants.

Our pineal may just not be functioning optimally because it does not have it's natural magnetic field protection. Maybe this protection comes from the hypothalamus when it is functioning fully. Maybe it creates a magnetic shield for our pineal so that it can function as it is intended.

Maybe the ship helps in this same way by shielding the occupants AND their pineal gland.

It also fits with the stories of captured et craft where it's described that they seemed to have no system of control.

Our body is our ship but we can't control it fully like a ship because our center of control is being bombarded with radiation from all sources, especially other people.

Well I'm just trying to think out of the box

[Shanti]

Yes Hitler's dead so lets move on  He died in February 2004, in Bethesda, MD at the age of 114 year old!

This reminds me of a Simpson-episode, where they were in south-america and Homer got abducted. There they also showed the "old" Hitler...

Well I'm just trying to think out of the box

LOL

Well as one gets the story of Carr. It is also described that they flew with small prototypes in the valley where they had the company. And these were radio controlled.

Well as I understand the principle it works like that:
If you just wanna levitate and fly around, you can control it as you wish just by controlling the E-magnets and the rotation speed and the "current" you let through the Utrons.

But the principle is, that you force to discharge the saucer. This means it will get to another potential pressure level. Due to the discharge it will surely also radiate on many frequency spectras. This is why many people report sunburns after seeing a saucer, or radios not working anymore or the glow around the saucer, etc.
As the potential pressure is lowered you more and more disintegrate the matter, and the frequency will be heightened.

If you push this really far. Far beyond the point you would need just to fly around! You will disintegrate such a lot, that the matter could not be anymore visible to outstanding persons as they shifted to a too high frequency spectrum.
But it still exists as a high frequency model (the idea of the physical).
But what do we know from these higher spectrum. The next higher is for example called the astral-plane.
For some time I regularly left my body and spent some time there. What you will very fast recognize is, that the speed which is possible is much faster on this plane. And you can easily travel to some place just by thinking at it.
So what I think Ralph described is such a disintegration of the saucer to the astral plane. There mind controls movement. So you can move very fast and just by thinking. And as you stop the saucer again, it will immediately start charging again, due to the potential pressure around it. So the frequency will again be lowered, until you are again on the same pressure level as the earth surface.
the problem he desribed, about the brain having difficulty in catching this plane translation is also easy to explain. As the physical brain did not exist anymore on the physical plane for some time during the flight. And so as seen by the brain your mind has experiences some more time than the brain remembers. This surely is difficult for the brain to understand.

I think this is also why the germans called their first prototype JFM (Jenseitsflugmaschine) (rough translation: after life world flying machine). It would make sense. As if you die, you first discard the physical body, and remain having your other bodies, now your lowest body would be in the astral-plane (which then you discard also, etc.). Surely all just holds, if these stories are really true!
   
I knwo these explanation might seem very strange. But if you read some books of Walter Russell, e.g. "the Universal One", you will get what I mean.

[storre]

Yes Walter Russell = a very helpful man!!

Thanks for your explanation. It really helped fill in the blanks in my understanding!! I'm very familiar with the astral plane. I fly around in it weekly and my wife visits teachers there.

I did some very serious fasting for 3 years and had even stronger experiences. It seems that food densifies us so that it's not as easy to enter the astral world but that is another subject more crazy than what you are referring to

[Kator01]

Hi Folks,

you can speculate al lot but you should not be distracted from some inconvenient truths.
I think the history of frauds has happened in many business lines and so-called scientific developments :

http://science.howstuffworks.com/otis-carr.htm

I will not comment this - it is self-explaining.

Regards

Kator01