Otis Carr's flying machine and the Utron O.U. Electrical Accumulator !

[Shanti]

Musta forgot you were from mars.

Seriously. It doesn't make sense to debunk one another. Everybody has the right for his own truth. WizardofMars believes the Ralph Ring-Carr story is a scam, and he has every right to state this.
Unfortunately not too many things are known about Carr, so we probably never will be able to find evidence for the story.
So it's up to everybody for himself to decide what he believes in or not.
I personally am grateful, that people do have different opinions, and are also able to contribute them. For only like that we are able to get a complete picture.

Wish you all a Merry Christmas!

[Kator01]

Hi all,

like to add my two cents here :

1) channeling method for technology-transfer was first used in germany in the 1918 by the secret Thule-socienty founded by a person named Graf von Sebottendorf. More prominet members of this secret socienty  : Adolf Hitler and  Rudolf Steiner etc and a psychic rumanian woman who served as a chanel.
I anyone believes that  this is a valuable method for manifesting an advanced propulsion-technolgy without basic scientific knowledge by using a medium I would give you the advice to look for the results so far.

2) Written in this Magentic-Theory-book there is one outstanding sentence which points at the quality of this basic knowledge "This technology will work after a pole shift"

Question : how many poles does a magnet have ? Just reverse the polarity of the magnetic setup and this technique should work right now.

I am amazed how gullible some people are.

For our german-speaking members go for a brief decription of the thule-society here :

http://www.stattweb.de/baseportal/ArchivDetail&db=Archiv&Id=25

The name is still in use today among the neoNazis.

Regards

Kator01

[wizardofmars]

1) channeling method for technology-transfer was first used in germany in the 1918 by the secret Thule-socienty founded by a person named Graf von Sebottendorf. More prominet members of this secret socienty  : Adolf Hitler and  Rudolf Steiner etc and a psychic rumanian woman who served as a chanel.
I anyone believes that  this is a valuable method for manifesting an advanced propulsion-technolgy without basic scientific knowledge by using a medium I would give you the advice to look for the results so far.

Please post one credible source for this nonsense. I read Brenna's Occult Reich in the 70's. It was only later I found out JH Brennan was a mystic and the claims have only gotten more outrageous since then with the bogus 'Nazi Bell'. Hitler publicly rejected mystical cults in Mein Kampf and many other speeches.

[Cap-Z-ro]

Truth can be found no matter how muddy the water...turning off the water is analogous to 'throwing the baby out with the bath water'.

It is much wiser to filter the water.

Regards...

[Kator01]

Hi wizardofmars,

You should be careful in classifying this as bogus. Looks as if there is something wrong in this thread here.
Unfortunately I do only have information in german language and one of the source is the historian G.Edward Griffin. I am a german and  have found this info reliable because there was another swiss female author who had done extensive research on this. I stumbled on this 10 years ago. Could be I have it savde in one of my old computer but it also is written in german language.

Maybe you can read the source here. The german nazi-gang had a very mystical background especially Himmler was a fanatic in this thule-cult. Of course Hilter would reject his participation in the public as this was years before he gained power.

Of cource you will  find in the wickipedia only a fraction of this and the the American, Britisch and French Allies did destroy much of this historical info but some parts could be saved.This Thuile-society was developing in the turbulent times of 1917 after WW 1. Hilter was a nobody at this time.

This paper here deals with the preparation for WW2 and its financiers :

http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:l5mYXoe1u3sJ:www.computerbase.de/forum/attachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D3595%26d%3D1048104537+Graf+von+Sebottendorf&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=19&gl=de&lr=lang_de

Scroll down to the paragraph and use google-translation:

"ADOLF SCHICKLGRUBER UND DIE THULE-GESELLSCHAFT"

ADOLF SCHICKLGRUBER was Hilter true name.

Here you can read about Freiher Graf of Sebottendorf and the psychic medium MARIA ORSITSCH (Orsic).
It is all well documented.

List of members :

1. Freiherr Rudolf von Sebottendorf, Ordenshochmeister

2. Guido von List, Ordensmeister

3. Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels, Ordensmeister

4. Adolf Hitler, Führer, Reichskanzler und Oberster SS-Führer

5. Rudolf Hess, Stellvertreter des Führers und SS- Obergruppenführer

6. Hermann Göring, Reichsmarschall und SS-Obergruppenführer

7. Heinrich Himmler, Reichsführer SS und Reichsminister

8. Alfred Rosenberg, Reichsminister und NS-Reichsleiter

9. Hans Frank, Dr. Dr. h. c., NS-Reichsleiter und Generalgouverneur in Polen

10. Julius Streicher, SA-Obergruppenführer und Gauleiter von Franken

11. Karl Haushofer, Prof Dr., Generalmajor a.D.

12. Gottfried Feder, Prof Dr., Staatssekretär a.D.

13. Dietrich Eckart, Chefredakteur des »Völkischen Beobachters«

14. Bernhard Stempfle, Hitlers

Wickipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society

and here munich historical english info because the Thule-Member had their gathering in the hotel Vierjahreszeiten in munich:

http://www.muenchen.de/Stadtleben/Kultur_Unterhaltung/kulturreferat/museen/nsdokumentationszentrum/253740/Antisemitism_rightwingextremism.html

Regards

Kator01