ATTENTION!!! October 14th 2008 is a possible hit against believers!

[hypersoniq]

Either you  believe   or you don't .

Those that  don't  believe   will not  believe no matter  what  evidence is  presented to them .

I don't think that's true. I think that there are those that would rather not "believe" anything until proof is presented because "belief" implies an emotional investment and you can't be an objective student of the sciences if your judgement is tempered with emotion regarding the subject matter.

If you believe and it does not happen, you get let down.
If you are a hardcore neo-con skeptic you will ignore obvious evidence.
If, however, you are like the type of people who visit this board (more involved with science and experimentation than the average person) you don't get your hopes up because it's not about hope, it either happens or it doesn't.

Look at how there is a difference with each new OU/FE "breakthrough", you can tell the skeptics from the generally curious easily. You can also spot the con-men. If I looked at each thread here with great hope and expectation I would have been done with this site long ago.

let go of your emotional attachment and re-read the "aliens" thread purely objectively...
the main players who refer to christ x and christ y as if what was channeled were actual truth... come on. The MOMENT they mixed religion with the coming alien event was the moment my "LOONY" meter flashes red.

The other thread actually got me on a decent google chase about all things paranormal... I have decided to put some of this to the test... I have NO expectations good or bad about the outcome, just a curiousity.
THe subject is Telekinetics... more than one site offers to teach you how to do it for a fee (and further digging finds even MORE that teach you to do it for free... They universally claim that we ALL have this ability.
So I will set up an experiment, 5 or 10 minutes a day, to try and move a pen across a cloth (to eliminate stray wind from the equation) from tomorrow until the end of the year (well beyond their several weeks estimated results timeline) and keep record of the results...
IF it actually works, then I may need to re-think the rest of the "alternative" pseudo-sciences
IF it doesn't work, then I can assume that the rest is garbage as well...

Sounds fair to me, easy experiment, supposedly ANYONE can do it... and I have no emotional involvement one way or the other... PURE science!

As for the aliens, the fanatics will believe even if no ship appears, the skeptics will doubt even as a ship hovers above, but I am sure the rest of us are just gonna wait and see and go from there.

Not like I don't agree there's gotta be a better way (almost 40 still in my basement lab trying to decompose water with radio waves and magnets without substantial success yet) but I doubt an E.T. version of Deus ex Machina is going to solve out problems on 10/14/08 or any other date... we need to do that ourselves.

[hansvonlieven]

I think this thread is all about hedging bets.

If the Aliens don't turn up on cue it's all a CIA plot or some dastardly scheme of the Illuminati.

Get real, nothing is going to happen except a whole heap more bullshit from where that came from.

Stop contaminating people's heads with this fanciful crap. (That is what the tooth-fairy asked me to tell you)

Hans von Lieven

[LarryC]

I think this thread is all about hedging bets.

If the Aliens don't turn up on cue it's all a CIA plot or some dastardly scheme of the Illuminati.

Get real, nothing is going to happen except a whole heap more bullshit from where that came from.

Stop contaminating people's heads with this fanciful crap. (That is what the tooth-fairy asked me to tell you)

Hans von Lieven

@Hans,

(That is what the tooth-fairy asked me to tell you)

Thanks for the laugh.

Regards, Larry

[z.monkey]

let go of your emotional attachment and re-read the "aliens" thread purely objectively...
the main players who refer to christ x and christ y as if what was channeled were actual truth... come on. The MOMENT they mixed religion with the coming alien event was the moment my "LOONY" meter flashes red.

Howdy Hypersoniq,

Yeah, most people can't relate these two.  Most people think of aliens as evil grays and religion as televangelists.  Those of you who use association and incomplete information will always get it wrong.  If you want to pass judgment on an event like this need to have all the information.  Your opinions are not facts, and what you feel is irrelevant.  I have spent almost a year researching the Galactic Federation.  Of course I can't convince you or Hans.  You probably won't even believe it when you see it.  You'll think its a hologram or a mental aberration, pity...

Blessed Be...

[hypersoniq]

Your opinions are not facts, and what you feel is irrelevant.

Ditto 

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