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Thanks, Jdo.
It means you’re agree that in this  drawing everything’s wrong â€" it’s not half-face overlap, it’s not 2cm diameter, and it’s not  50 and 5 degrees rule, as well 30 magnets rule (change sizes of magnets, even in 5:1 relation, and everything changes too).
But look at Dan’s setup â€" it’s exactly what are you writing about - all dimensions are fits.
But it does not work. I have the same setup and it turns only when I’m plying with stator (tilting, wobbling, etc), when it still â€" no movements; and it can’t be.
And look to Juan writing about shielding material, it’s really hard to make a “wrong translation”.
So still something fishy here, I’ll better wait Juan’s reply to questions and his comments about what’s wrong with Dan’s setup (which’s perfectly fits in your description; it can’t be done better). Thank you.

[Jdo300]

Thanks, Jdo.
It means you’re agree that in this  drawing everything’s wrong â€" it’s not half-face overlap, it’s not 2cm diameter, and it’s not  50 and 5 degrees rule, as well 30 magnets rule (change sizes of magnets, even in 5:1 relation, and everything changes too).
But look at Dan’s setup â€" it’s exactly what are you writing about - all dimensions are fits.
But it does not work. I have the same setup and it turns only when I’m plying with stator (tilting, wobbling, etc), when it still â€" no movements; and it can’t be.
And look to Juan writing about shielding material, it’s really hard to make a “wrong translation”.
So still something fishy here, I’ll better wait Juan’s reply to questions and his comments about what’s wrong with Dan’s setup (which’s perfectly fits in your description; it can’t be done better). Thank you.

I do agree that there are still some questions about the setup. I am also waiting to see how Dan's builds go which is why I have not bothered to start building one myself. As for the drawing, all I can say is that the relationships that Juan told be about are illustrated there, though I must admit that the magnets shown aren't overlapping exactly 1/2 of the faces. But then again, we don't know how critical these parameters really are. The same goes for the angles as well. The ones shown on the diagram are definitely in relation to the magnets and their dimensions. I never really got a straight answer out of Juan about the angles of the ring magnets so those are just what happened to show up when I put the 30 magnets around the ring and allowed for a small gap between the adjacent magnets by adjusting the tilt angle.

All we can do now is wait and see what happens with those who are still working with Juan to get their builds running. The nice thing is that he is very attentive and gives thorough feedback on the replications. So I remain optimistic at this point.

God Bless,
Jason O

[Jdo300]

Hi!

@jdo300
Thank you for the information. But I thought that because the message was in spanish, mr Juan was going to reply himself.

Jesus

He may but generally, he gives me and other people "publications" to post to the forum here, probably because he doesn't speak English and has us translate stuff for him. He does have a registered username though and did post a couple of things back at the beginning of this thread so who knows? But if you want to get in touch with him, the best way is through MSN. He's online just about every day if you want to chat with him directly.

God Bless,
Jason O

[mdmiller]

I'll add a couple of thoughts.  Juan noted that about 1/2 of the magnets face in the ring should be exposed.  The only way to achieve this, using a ratio of 5:1  diameter-of-ring:size-of-magnet is to use 30 magnets.  Check the math and you'll see for yourself. 

Now, it might also be feasible to use another ratio such as 7:1 and use 44 magnets.  Pi X 7 / 44 = .5

I think Dan used 24 magnets and a 5:1 ratio.  This may or may not be an issue.  I have to say again Dan that it is a most beautiful build.

The other thing to clarify with Juan is if an odd number of magnets, which would eliminate any possibility of magnetic balance between the rotor and the ring would make sense.  For example, instead of 30 magnets in a 5:1, should we use 29 or 31 -- thus there would never be two opposing and equal magnetic points.  I'm not sure the translator will help me to ask this clearly, JDO can you help me on this question ?    thanks ahead of time.
good luck all - Duane

[Jdo300]

Hey Duane,

That's a good question and one that I have thought about myself a few times. I'll ask Juan about it next time I speak to him and tell everyone what he says.

God Bless,
Jason O