EL IEVE free energy magnetic mill

[fleubis]

Can't believe this debate has gone on this long! It's the same old story.  IT'S THE HAND. Permanently mounted, rotation quickly ceases.

[Goat]

Hi fleubis & All

Fleubis you raised a good point  as you mentioned "the hand" is always faster the eye (or in this case the camera).

It does look a lot like all the other magnetic motors with short blurry videos and big claims... that's why I asked if it was possible to have a live (OU.com people) demo the unit other than the inventor's video version.  Not that I don't believe the inventor but so far I don't see a working version (let alone driving a generator) even though some good people here tried their hands at replicating it from the inventor's descriptions and drawings

Still, in science, you have to be able to replicate the original or at least provide a working unit for people to inspect if you want to be believed and protected once it's out to the masses it's too late for big bro to protect their interests using intimidation   forget about patents IMHO.

At any rate, I've not seen many people trying to somehow attempt to mechanize "the hand" movement if that's what it takes, I mean we already put man on the moon decades ago    What would it take, a small motor driving a bigger generator? 

Call me hard headed but I still haven't seen science prove all theories, claims and replications of other possible discoveries that normal people could come up with in experimentation and could prove what some inventors have claimed to be possible. Otherwise scientists wouldn't exist   in the end it's just us mere mortals who come up with ideas that lead to scientific discoveries is it not?  In our heads as theories or as common lay person doesn't matter to me 

That's what makes it fun for me is to think that someday maybe someone will come up with a brilliant idea to help us all 

Until then I'll just keep hoping, but you're all entitled to call me a dreamer and then some

Regards,
Paul

[fleubis]

Paul,

You are missing my point.  This is no slight of hand, no hidden things under the table, no digital maniplation, nor trickery of any kind. This device functions as it does due to the energy supplied by the physical movement of the hand. Remove the energy supplied by the hand --see it jiggling?--by firm mounting the movement will quickly cease. There are many people on YouTube with such magnetic "motors" and they all fail when the the externally supplied energy is removed.  The most famous example of this is the Howard Johnson motor, for which Howard received a patent.

When you see a device running without apparent outside energy being supplied, then look for trickery. Lutec and a number of other outfits claim to have working magnetic motors, but they don't stay working for other reasons.

So the search goes on that maybe there is a loophole in the 3rd law of thermodynamics.

James

[Goat]

Hi fleubis

I agree with what you are saying, sorry if the translation got lost in the last post, it was long winded (sorry) 

I mentioned "At any rate, I've not seen many people trying to somehow attempt to mechanize "the hand" movement if that's what it takes, I mean we already put man on the moon decades ago  Roll Eyes  What would it take, a small motor driving a bigger generator?  " . Again, long winded 

So I agree with the hand movement, only I was thinking a small motor imitating the hand movement, through a cam perhaps, moving the stator ring just enough to magnetically force the rotor to rotate, magnets do shoot off when you repel them so I could imagine a rotor wanting to spin away from vibrating or elliptical rotations of the stator (well not really a stator anymore but not rotating).

I just haven't seen any attempts to overcome this by mechanization of the hand movement enough to generate extra power.  Sometimes it's just as well to go the extra step to prove or disprove a concept 

Regards,
Paul

[mscoffman]

When you see a device running without apparent outside energy being supplied, then look for trickery. Lutec and a number of other outfits claim to have working magnetic motors, but they don't stay working for other reasons.

James

I agree with you on the small size ring. But suppose you build a big one that outputs lots
of power to run an alternator. Would it be possible to have let us say have a fan blade that causes
air turbulence and shakes the stator ring suffciently to keep it running? Any Andian breezes
could then assist.

:S:MarkSCoffman