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Faraday's Paradox experiment

Started by scotty1, September 27, 2008, 07:20:24 PM

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Grumpy

Some think that it is "off topic" or does not apply, but look at charged particle drifts again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guiding_center

See attached image: (first image)

The disc doesn't care if the mag field rotates or not as long as it is homogeneous.   For all we know, you could modulate this magnetic field and take the hom-gen to a new level or blow it sky-high.  Few ever get past the idea of a rotating disc, so a varying mag field never crosses their mind.

When looking to rid ourselves of the rotating disc, the question: What sort of "force" can be used in place of a rotating disc?

A "force" can be termed a change in acceleration (F=ma), or a change in "momentum", which is what acceleration is.

Momentum is P=mv/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

How do we change "momentum"?

1. Change mass or energy
2. Change the velocity
3. change the speed of light

Another way to cause particle drift is to use a non-uniform field, and it may be that non-uniform fields cause a change in momentum so that these two methods are essentially the same.

One way to change momentum is Tesla's radiant electric shockwave.  Look at Tesla's original pancake transformer: (second image)

So, what happens if you add en external field to a Tesal coil?
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      I then went on to say that the pm magnetic field was the observer in the experiment.  It observes the action but remains essentialy unchanged.    :P

          @Grumpy

    Would an electric field be considered an accelerating force?  An electric field perpendicular to a stationary magnetic field with some free electrons in the mix and mindful of the other accelerating force gravity.  This should at least put electron drift into some kind of predictable current.  The problem with using gravity as an accelerating force is that you need to lower the density of the surrounding mass,  provide free electrons or ions in this field and put together the guiding magnetic field and exclude or use any polidial fields permeating the system.  I'm sure Tesla did it as well as Hutchinson.  I believe Hutchinson worked with gravitational fields of the Moon.  While Tesla worked with plane old Earth gravity. 

     
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Quote from: Grumpy on October 31, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
The disc doesn't care if the mag field rotates or not as long as it is homogeneous.   For all we know, you could modulate this magnetic field and take the hom-gen to a new level or blow it sky-high.  Few ever get past the idea of a rotating disc, so a varying mag field never crosses their mind.

I've done my share of HPG work and once experimented with your concept. I found it very aggravating to learn that modulating the mag field (I used a PRF from 0 to 250kHz) resulted in anything but what you expect. In short, it did a good job of heating the disc and not much more, whether the disc rotated or not.

This forced me to conclude the potential difference between the center and outer diameter of a working HPG was due to the difference in angular velocity between the center and outer diameter.

On the Tesla coil question: I can tell you one thing does happen.... Adding a magnetic field to such a coil increases the operating Q, to a point. Too strong a field and you have the same effect as a saturated core.

Sorry. I had a break. I'll be quiet now  :)

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    The problem with the unipolar gen is once a current insues it's inertia will conflict with the inertia expressed by the permanent magnet.  And we have friction, collisions, drag etc.  Just like in a multipolar alternator.  I never tried it but instead of just a disk use a tesla pancake coil and spin it.  Bifilar wound series connected magnetic canceling.  When current is drawn through the external load no bucking magnetic field on the disc.  I made the mistake a couple of times of missconnecting electric motor windings so that they were magnetically cancelling.  I'm sure that if I had connected a second motor in series with the misconnected one it would have run fine with very little voltage drop entering the circuit due to the misconnected motor windings.  Another thing could we try pulsing the field and drawing the current out of phase with the induced voltage?  If inductance (electron inertia) gives us enough time to get the field winding out of the picture then the load current on the disc will not conflict with the exciter field because it's gone.  There will still be work involved spinning the unit to create a rotating inertial frame but alot better than brute forcing current.
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Quote from: BEP on October 31, 2009, 09:47:27 PM
I've done my share of HPG work and once experimented with your concept. I found it very aggravating to learn that modulating the mag field (I used a PRF from 0 to 250kHz) resulted in anything but what you expect. In short, it did a good job of heating the disc and not much more, whether the disc rotated or not.

This forced me to conclude the potential difference between the center and outer diameter of a working HPG was due to the difference in angular velocity between the center and outer diameter.

On the Tesla coil question: I can tell you one thing does happen.... Adding a magnetic field to such a coil increases the operating Q, to a point. Too strong a field and you have the same effect as a saturated core.

Sorry. I had a break. I'll be quiet now  :)

I was getting tired of seeing people beat the ol' HPG dead horse.  It's just an eddie current brake with a load on it. 

On the Tesla coil - which coil configuration and what was the direction of the mag field?

Electric field results in both particle going the same direction and no current.

Should be able to passively use the Earth gravity field with the right configuration - simplest of which appears to be Tesla's radiant energy receivers.  Who would have thought...
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