Gravity Mill - any comments to this idea?

[ResinRat2]

Thanks Stefan, Prajna, tbird, for all your efforts and time.

I was going to order the clear pvc pipe and fittings to start my own experiments on Friday, but thankfully I was delayed and now you all convinced me this is just another pipe dream (pun).

So we must assume that Mr. Herring never had a working model, and he is just another talker. He never toured with a working unit either. No wonder we never heard of him before. Sadly I don't understand why people do this again and again to try and fool us all.

Again thank you all. The logic, calculations, and discussion were very interesting. You saved me the money I was about to outlay on the piping too.

Good luck everyone.

[prajna]

I think Mr Herring was only trying to fool us because he had fooled himself.  It is very easy to do.  I sure managed to fool myself several times into thinking this would work; with tiny errors in my calculations proving first that it would and then that it wouldn't and then that it would again.  Unless you have another pair of eyes to check your work it is very easy to miss small mistakes in logic or a decimal point in the wrong place.

No problem; roll on the next project.

[2tiger]

Hi Tbird

As I lost my first girlfriend, my mother said to me:
"Don?t cry because it?s over, better smile, thinking of the good time you have had together."

Well this is not quite the same, but it will help you to go on with your researches.
Thanks a lot for the good discussion.

Bye
2Tiger

[prajna]

Hi guys, I've just come up with a way around the problem with ELSA.  Take a look at http://www.DeclarePeace.org.uk/elsa/buoyeng.htm and let me have your comments.

[ResinRat2]

Prajna,

Now that looks very interesting. I need to admit that I had not given up on the ELSA idea, and was brainstorming on Stephan's Cartesian diver variation. I wanted to simplify the shuttle and get rid of the compression problem but I just couldn't figure a way to get the shuttle to descend. I love the way you put in the pressure piston idea. I could see using a the water collected above to drive a variation on leverage to get enough pressure to press on the piston.

Nice innovation, Elsa may not be dead yet.