Stanley Meyer VIC circuit with Car Coil - Easy!

[supermuble]

I am not an expert in electronics, but I wanted to share this experiment. I used a car automotive coil hooked to a small bifilar coil of wire to make hydrogen with two spoons. Normally, if you take the 20,000 volt spark plug wire and attach it to the spoons (electrodes) in distilled water, you do not get any hydrogen. The electric current is dissipated in the liquid and absolutely nothing happens. The car coil alone will NOT make hydrogen from distilled water. However, tonight I tried hooking up the car coil to a blocking diode, and after that, I hooked up a small 400 turn bifilar coil with a 3/4" opening in the center. The wire is 24 gauge and 27 gauge (Ideally I think the wire should be the same size but I had this laying around).

I used my computer as a signal generator, 25 Hz (not Khz) and I hooked up the stereo speaker wire directly into the spark module that came from the car. The spark module is triggered by about 1/2 a volt AC so you can use a stereo speaker wire to trigger it (just don't hook it directly to your sound card - just in case). For the first time ever, I was able to create hydrogen using two stainless steel spoons dipped into a glass of distilled water. I took my oscilloscope and measured the output between the spoons and I got an exact frequency doubling (50.00 hz exactly).

Now, I am totally shocked that this worked. I have tried over and over again to make hydrogen using a high voltage coil, but it appears that the pumping effect of this circuit makes it work. Since I am not an expert in electronics, I could be misunderstanding what is happening. Nevertheless I am going to keep experimenting because it does appear that I have found something.

- 22 volts total per voltage spike (NOT high voltage according to the scope)
- 20,000 volts does not work when used directly, it just gets dissipated by the liquid.



This is NOT an exact Stanley Meyer replication, but it uses the same principles that he developed. It is a good way to learn. If you have an extra car coil, I suggest you experiment! Apparently the automotive coil will work fine as a transformer in the VIC circuit.


List of specifics:

- 1984 Toyota Celica Coil With attached spark module
- Bifilar coil wound on radioshack plastic spool with 24 gauge wire, 27 gauge wire (400 turns) - air core (less voltage spikes with iron core)
- 1000 ohm 1/4 watt resistor on speaker wire coming from home stereo, car amplifer, audio output from computer.
- Free program called "SIGJenny"
- 50% mark space ratio, 25 hz
- 12 volt motorcycle battery
- Two stainless steel spoons - small
- 1 glass 1/2 full of distilled water
- Spoons are separated by one small piece of plastic zip tie, little less than 1/16" thick
- Electrical tape to hold spoons together

[Kator01]

Hey supermuble,

can you please post a diagramm of the circuit ? It is hard to figure out in your pic, especially the orientation of the diode.
What is the power in here ? Can you reprot  the threshold at which the gas-production started ?

Regards

Kator01

[supermuble]

So I hope I was able to contribute in some very small way. I managed to destroy my computer sound card, and my Oscilloscope! My scope was brand new, and it's shot now. Being an idiot, I removed an alligator clip and the 20,000 volts jumped to the electrical connections, destroying everything in it's path! What is scary is that the voltage went through my car audio amplifier that was attached to my PC and it still managed to wreck my PC sound card - so much for protecting my sound card. IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE A CAR COIL - SOLDER YOUR CONNECTIONS. Don't be an idiot like me! I hope we have learned something at my expense! LOL

If you know how to be safe, then we can try this experiment again. Please do NOT use alligator clips! Solder the wires!

What is unusual in this experiment is that we are using pure Back-EMF to induce a 2nd Back-EMF spike. I don't know if that is what Stanley Meyer intended, probably not.

An auto ignition coil is obviously not designed as a normal step up transformer. It is designed for creating a spark, and that's it. It works on the principle of a sharp Back-EMF being created in the secondary coil by the immediate collapsing of the primary magnetic field. The only way you can collapse the primary coil is with the use of a condenser (capacitor) on the negative. When you switch the negative "OFF" which is done when the points open/or when the ignition module disconnects, then the negative wire must be able to discharge into a capacitor. This is what makes the field collapse quickly and this creates the Back-EMF in the secondary. The back EMF spike is VERY short duration.

The spark its self is actually only back EMF. If you put AC voltage or DC voltage (12 volts) into the coil, the back EMF spike is not created in the secondary coil and you don't get anything close to 20,000 volts, in fact, the spark won't even jump through open air. The condenser (spark modules have this built in) is responsible for adding about 10 times the voltage to the spark output. I have tested automotive coils with straight DC and I cannot induce a spark.

So we are doing something unusual. We are creating a huge inductive spike and pushing that into a bifilar coil, which in turn is forced to create another spike since that is what happens when you pulse an inductor coil with a sharp DC pulse. You get two pulses of the same polarity. So on my meter, this was apparent. I got 50 HZ from 25 hz, so I was inducing another Back-EMF spike as usual in the small bifilar inductor I was using.

Now there is a circuit diagram. It should be easier to replicate if you are crazy and foolish

[supermuble]

Maybe someone smarter than myself can figure out how much power I was using?

I was using 50% duty cycle, at 25 hz. The spark duration is 300 Microseconds. Voltage is approx 30,000 volts. Approximate amperage during discharge .03 to .06 amps on a normal ignition system.

The coil is connected directly (no spark gap) so more energy is being consumed than would be normally consumed by a spark plug right?

[starcruiser]

yup