magnetic monopole

[GestaltO]

@liberty

with respect you are incorrect 1 monopole magnet plus a dipole magnet has significant industrial merit with respect to perpetual motion generators.

@techstuff

i see your point however the earths magnetic field is not a standard 2 pole magnet and the effects of it suggest that its actually 2 monopole magnets, which would explain why they are bale to move independantly from one another.

also it's worth noting with regard to "permant" magnetic fields nothing has actually ever been "proven". it is a theory at the particle level based on observation and measurements of electromagnets. the theory in it's most basic from is that it comes from the orbits of the electrons. this may or may not be true.

[Liberty]

@liberty

with respect you are incorrect 1 monopole magnet plus a dipole magnet has significant industrial merit with respect to perpetual motion generators.

@techstuff

i see your point however the earths magnetic field is not a standard 2 pole magnet and the effects of it suggest that its actually 2 monopole magnets, which would explain why they are bale to move independantly from one another.

also it's worth noting with regard to "permant" magnetic fields nothing has actually ever been "proven". it is a theory at the particle level based on observation and measurements of electromagnets. the theory in it's most basic from is that it comes from the orbits of the electrons. this may or may not be true.

Perhaps I am incorrect, it wouldn't be the first time.  But I use nature as a model to predict how other things might act and I find that it is often correct.  A battery doesn't work with only one polarity.  The potential is there but no current can flow without a difference in potential to flow to.  The magnetic force operates in the same fashion.  Without a difference in potential, there is no attraction or repulsion.  If what techstuff says about the LH and RH spirals in a magnetic field are accurate, it would make sense that it is a closed loop due to a difference in potentials.  It would also make logical sense that a monopole magnet would not exist in nature without an opposite potential to flow to.  And if the opposite potential was available, it would be a closed loop system again, unless you could cause separation between magnets and harvest the energy before it meets it's other potential.  (A conductor between magnets in motion resulting in an alternator or generator).  It is possible to use EM induction to capture this potential between magnets, but we know that a change in magnetic field at the point of the conductor is necessary to cause this field separation resulting in EM induction power flow.  It appears that power input is required to extract this energy. 

If motion can occur without extra external energy input by the use of permanent magnets and their potential difference in the form of a motor, then this energy from magnets can be extracted and converted into electrical power by using a generator efficiently.  This is the reason I have designed a permanent magnet motor instead of trying to just harvest the energy directly out of a permanent magnet closed loop system.

But if a monopole does exist, it would make things a bit easier.

[Doug1]

 Sort of was not ment to be vague.
   I do not believe such a single material could be self supporting but that a series of conditions could by chance be arranged to mimic a dipole. Since some where on here there have been links to the study of magnetic fields and mapping of fields in 3-D imaging maybe some one ells can reference to those links. I can only recall the images for myself in my head. One image showed that both north and south poles are found on both sides but only one is dominant on each side which behaves as if each side is either north only or south only. This was predicted by Ed Leedskinin from his notes. The guy who built Coral Castle.
   He also made a few devices like his permanent magnet holder. Which stores electric in the form of a magnetic field in a U shaped magnet with a bar across the ends of the U and the windings on each leg of U connected so as to allow the electric to flow around the coils to energize it or for the magnetic field to flow around the U by way of the cross bar until released which produced a current even after many months of sitting.
   It had passed my thoughts at one time what use this might play in his mind and what the heck it could be used for in conjunction with his collection of stuff.
   After looking at all the magnet mapping images for a number of hours I had to return to a task for which i was being payed. I was working on putting some materials together for sound proofing a loud electric motor.I was using the same method practiced in sound canceling headphones which use the incoming sound waves against themselves. In turn nullifying the noise. The thought i was having was why not do the same thing with a magnetic field from a permanent magnet but only to cancel the lesser component completely by trapping/blocking it and turning it back onto itself using an electro magnet. Then I would imagine the two remaining north's or south's would become additive. I also remember reading how to fields can not do that very easily and a bunch of models why and tons of over speak but that it could happen and had happened in one case but it had something to do with a cyclotron.
   How ever they did not account for the information of the mapping and gave no consideration to the two Ns Sn being on the same ends of a field on a permanent magnet.
    So if you know what Ed's PMH looks like imagine placing a donut shaped magnet on each leg of the U placing the bar back on top and energizing the coils. Maybe it it could trap the lesser in the coils draw from the conservation of energy law by thwarting the drag caused by the other wise un-noticed opposite but lessor field. I think what prevents a dipole is the other field but in nature or the vacuum it somehow cancels it out which we can not observe. This might also apply to the earth battery and the Hanz Cooler gizmo and another one I cant remember the name of it but it is a rod with a coil and a pipe with a coil over the rod and two of them feed each other some how but no one ever got it work.
   Even a simple bifiller coil could be almost doing the same thing but it loses it by not maintaining a field long enough on the second wind. The back emf obviously has quite a bit of power but i do not think it actually needs a greater amount of power then the primary field since it is the lessor which is to be blocked. Maybe this obscure second opposing field keeps the magnet from flying apart or destroying itself.After all something must be providing a means by which it has a thresh hold limit other wise it would just keep growing as more material was added to it until it was able to suck in every bit of iron near by.
  So yes ,sort of.
I also found some reading material on magnetic shielding by use of tiny particles of magnetic materials bound in a non conducting binder for emf fields associated with sensitive electronic circuits which is kind of on the same page but not the same use. they want to prevent stray voltages caused by inductive coupling. So I would have to think if you can get such a strong magnetic field from such a small amount of material as the first post points to in the link you would have to create a pure or nearly pure dipole like magnet.By some means you have to get rid of that pesky other field that acts like a honda civic dragging an empty dumpster.

[TechStuf]

Without a difference in potential, there is no attraction or repulsion.  If what techstuff says about the LH and RH spirals in a magnetic field are accurate, it would make sense that it is a closed loop due to a difference in potentials.  It would also make logical sense that a monopole magnet would not exist in nature without an opposite potential to flow to.  And if the opposite potential was available, it would be a closed loop system again, unless you could cause separation between magnets and harvest the energy before it meets it's other potential.  (A conductor between magnets in motion resulting in an alternator or generator).  It is possible to use EM induction to capture this potential between magnets, but we know that a change in magnetic field at the point of the conductor is necessary to cause this field separation resulting in EM induction power flow.  It appears that power input is required to extract this energy.  

If motion can occur without extra external energy input by the use of permanent magnets and their potential difference in the form of a motor, then this energy from magnets can be extracted and converted into electrical power by using a generator efficiently.  This is the reason I have designed a permanent magnet motor instead of trying to just harvest the energy directly out of a permanent magnet closed loop system.


But if a monopole does exist, it would make things a bit easier.

You've a good headstart it seems, Liberty.  Your thinking is nearing perpendicularity to accepted ideas....



Let us look at physical history for a moment:


The english language is permeated with curious etymology regarding the nature of physical reality.  Various forms of the word "Spiral" are found from man's beginning to his end.  He is born and begins respirating, He dies and expires, shuffling off his mortal coil.  Even his word for all that is, Universe, simply means:  'Single Curve'.  Nothing in this reality is truly straight.....and spiral/arcuate forms comprise the smallest of discernible matter, DNA, etc.....all the way up to Galaxies and beyond.





Consider that each pole sends out bundles of flux quanta in spiral strings which, due in part to a kind of friction, stack up over one another, forcing an arcuate path until they can stitch themselves together in spiral fashion ad infinitum.  'Cutting' these strings with a variety of metal medium induces "eddy currents" for lack of a better term.  Ask yourselves why the field models in the science halls are still being depicted in erroneous fashion....easily proven false by a number of elementary school level demonstrations?  


Unfortunately, considering the egregious level of idiocracy being displayed by the powers that be, the amazingly simple revelation of free energy in the hands of greedy, cwhoreporate america would no doubt hyper accelerate our shared misfortune.


Blessings,


TS

[GestaltO]

hmmm interesting about everything in life being spiralled or curved. very astute observation...i like it 

I note that liberty stated about harnessing the energy from a magnet...i don't believe this can be done either the motor idea is the best we will get but like i previously stated a monopole is the way to do this perfectly. its 5am so i havent read ppoperly all your comments but i will tomorrow and post a more in depth reply.

Appreciate your responses guys. glad i came here. nice to have intelligent open minded conversations. thought i was insane til i joined here lol