Lynnferd Grant HHO Breakthrough

[Farlander]

I've been researching transducers as prompted by hairbear...

What I found is that a piezolectric material (usually ceramic or quartz) is any material that has dipolar molecular structure.  I.E. WATER

When applying high frequency voltage to parallel electrodes with water in between are we not in effect making a transducer?

[Kator01]

Luc,

you need destilled water - but laboratory-high-quality-  that is this water must have an inner resistance at least  of 1 - 2 MegOhm.
If you use destilled water from  you supermarked or even tap-water you of course will have a lot of gas generated immediatly.
Ultransonic will drive the gas out quickly, so everything what you describe here is in accordance of what I would expect with this setup.

You will need steam-destilled water - better double-processed. In addition to this you have to clean the steel-plates with ethanol to remove any grease and finally immerse them into boiling steam-destilled water, take them out and let them dry in the air.

Any small contaminations will serve as little electronic bridges at this voltage-level and gas is produced immediatly.

Regards

Kator

[Kator01]

Hi all,,

please calculate the following current arrising at 200 Volt :

U = 2000 Volt , R_i_H20 = 2 Megohm > current i = 1 milliAmp. 2 milliAmp for one-time-processed steam-destilled water.

To test water-inner resistance correctly you need a Pure-Water Tester ( PWT myko-siemens) of Hanna-Instruments Type HI 98308.

Kator

[H2inICE]

Don't get stuck on this guys, what if the gain is 0.2MMW would the cost and practical use help us?

The problem with water is that it's not a constant factor, some guys get stuck on MMW/efficiency other's move to more practical use of what we make

Good idea tho


Mr H2inICE

[AhuraMazda]

I've been researching transducers as prompted by hairbear...

What I found is that a piezolectric material (usually ceramic or quartz) is any material that has dipolar molecular structure.  I.E. WATER

When applying high frequency voltage to parallel electrodes with water in between are we not in effect making a transducer?

This is an excellent comment. My own thoughts are along the lines that Meyer's WFC was a capacitor with water as dieletric. When voltage is applied to to the plates ( the two concentric tubes ) the dielectric (water) is shocked. For every cell there would be a specific frequency to be applied for the water to break down.
This also points to the common belief that HV needs to be applied to the tubes. The standard ultrasonic transducers have a fixed frequency which may not be correct for the water breakdown to occur.

It is believed by some that Meyer had cut notches on his tubes as a way of fine tuning them. I am not sure about this.
Also, as the level of water changes, so would the parameters of resonances.