resonant frequencies ????

[Hydro-Cell]

hi hairbear
your theory of using a chord instead of a note sounds feasable. it may be due to the fact that water is constantly in a moving state perhaps.

i am going to try the 42.8khz to start with as i have already started to build it and its quite a large project.

i will be getting the 42.8khz frequency into the water with RF waves. basically what i am doing is using a dipole aerial tuned to 42.8khz and transmtting 42.8khz into it. all of the electronics will be resonant to each other so maximum power exchange will occour.
i will be able to transmit upto 1000watts of power.
the power that comes from the dipole will be a concentrated electomagnetic field around the dipole. this power will radiate at very close to the power input and runs at about 95% efficiency.

what i am hoping to do is have this frequency resonate the water at high power, but then use brute force electricity at about 5-10 amps to break the molecules apart and release hho.
i dont want to use the frequency alone as this may turn out to be an uncrontrolable reaction.

i belive by the numbers i have that, it will take a minimum of 750 watts to get the reaction going.

just out of curiosity what would a chord be in the 42.8 khz range??? not too clued up on that sort of thing

[HeairBear]

An easy way to make a simple "chord" would be to use octaves. Just by doubling or halving the main frequency will give you the next octave. So half of 42.8 would be an octave down and doubling would be an octave up. I believe Bob Boyce used a similar scheme if not exactly. Another example, the common note "A" is about 440cps/Hz and the next octave would be at 880cps/Hz. I would have to look up how the scale changes frequency when using other notes with the main frequency like from A to B, C, D, E, F, and G. There are all sorts of chords too. You could add a 5th to the A, the 5th being an E. There are flatted and sharped notes also, so, the possibilities are endless. Today when we talk about notes, scales, and their respective frequencies, we are talking about a set of rules made by the christian church some years ago. Why they changed it, I don't know. Before then there was a common scale structure called the solfeggio frequencies which are as follows...

The Six Solfeggio Frequencies include:

    UT â€" 396 Hz
    RE â€" 417 Hz
    MI â€" 528 Hz
    FA â€" 639 Hz
    SOL â€" 741 Hz
    LA â€" 852 Hz

What I find very interesting about these frequencies are their direct relation to Rodin Aerodynamics. For a better understanding google Marco Rodin. He has videos on youtube if I remember correctly.

[Captain Kirk]

I am also wondering about how to get this pwm/frequency thing going so, I will be watching this thread.

To make music you need an oscillator...
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_ckt18.htm

[jeanna]

To make music you need an oscillator...
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_ckt18.htm

Somehow, I can understand it in music, but it seems odd that an oscillating electronic circuit could sing itself into the water (or make the water sing) via the electrode through the plates. I am starting to think it is possible. It may take a little more time for my brain to wrap around this, though!

I guess this is the reason I thought it was cool that the bubbles seemed to be kicked by just pulsing at 2Hz.

And Heairbear's information:

He found that water, when bubbled at a current of 600 cycles per second, had the highest efficiency of disruption to the gaseous state. This is intriguing because John Keely stated that water could be disrupted at 610, 620 and 12,000 cps....with the most effective frequency being 42.8 khz.

is especially interesting

I think those biological solfeggio frequencies are a good place to examine these things, too.

I have way too little knowledge of circuits to be helpful, but I do appreciate the help coming from others.

So, Thanks

jeanna

[HeairBear]

I just tripped across this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVE0PO0s2w&feature=related