The Young Effect, my gift to the free energy movement!

[alan]

@Yucca: I see what you're saying, although I'm still a bit confused now...
So you're saying that two caps with 10V in each do not add up to 20V
when we connect them in parallel?
And you're saying that discharging 9V through a circuit and ending up
with a measurable and usable total of 10V does not qualify
as a voltage gain, because somehow 10V - 9V does not equal 1V
I mean, just looking at the volts here, it sure looks like a voltage gain of 1V
in that situation...

Yucca is crrect
place two batteries with the same voltage in parallel, what voltage do you get? No put them in series (that would add).
Place two caps with same voltage in parallel: the surface of the plates double (you can just add the capacitance), the voltage stays the same.
More capacitance = more area = more space to spread the same charge = less tension = less energy.
Place 'em in series, the capacitance is reversely added  (1/C1+1/C2=1/Ctotal), and the voltage is summed, like batteries in series.

(But feel free to correct me)

[Gobaga]

an increase in voltage is not an increase in energy.

[dean_mcgowan]

I ask you this then ..
what is greater ... 9.1 ² + 9.1 ²
or 18 ²

then read ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance

QED

please read the above carefully and follow the link and equations it contains.

I cannot read it for you !!

There is just a basic flaw in the understanding of some here about what a volt is and what it means with regards a capacitor relating to the amount of ENERGY (yup thats what we are here for) it contains

Cheers,

Dean

[HEYDUDE]

Doctor HEYDUDE and Doctor Poynt99 are summoned to the operating room.  There they are informed that the patient's condition is worse than first believed and that the logic hang-up is permanent.  The only solution is a complete controller transplant and swift kick in the ass to get it going.

Looks like we arrived too late. The patient is in a coma. There is some REM (rapid eye movement) signifying there are dreams occurring.  I'm afraid the temporary loss of oxygen to the brain caused the condition.  Whats that twitching?

Just the death throes of an idea that has been tried numerous times before and always fallen flat on its face....without fail.

Very few patients recover from this condition. I give this thread about 40 pages before sobering reality sets in. Meanwhile have fun in the sandbox.

[Yucca]

@Yucca: I see what you're saying, although I'm still a bit confused now...
So you're saying that two caps with 10V in each do not add up to 20V
when we connect them in parallel?
And you're saying that discharging 9V through a circuit and ending up
with a measurable and usable total of 10V does not qualify
as a voltage gain, because somehow 10V - 9V does not equal 1V
I mean, just looking at the volts here, it sure looks like a voltage gain of 1V
in that situation...

If you take one cap and charge it to 10V it will take a certain amount of work to achieve that charge, conversely when you discharge that cap you can get that work back (obviously not quite all of it due to real world ohmic losses etc.) But it takes alot more work to raise a cap from 10V to 20V

It's like filling a water tank, the higher you fill it the more static pressure (water head) it will assume. So to fill a water tank from 1m high to 2m high will take more work than to fill it from 0m to 1m, even though you've only raised the water level by 1m in each case. Conversely if you take that water tank and run a turbine as the level drops from 2m to 1m you will be able to recover alot more energy then when you run it from 1m to 0m.

In the case of caps you can't assume that contained energy is proportional to the voltage within. It's not... a higher voltage is like a higher pressure.

Besides if you think that taking two caps, one with 18V and one with 0V and then you parallel them and then you end up with 9.5V and 9.5V that this is somehow OU then you must should get really excited about the prospect of obtaining 12V in each cap...  This is achievable and is done and known of already in the books, it is the priciple on which intercap charge transport within switch mode PSUs operate. But even then it's not OU, just very efficient charge transport.

To see OU in 18V and 0V cap after equalisation you would need to see greater than:

Square Root of (18 x 18  / 2) = 12.73V (in each cap)

I am sorry if some people (not your good self) think that the mention of squares or roots makes a person a bookworm with no practical skills, I assure you that in my case the books are secondary and in fact I am sure that the books do not cover many things out there, for example I am sure that fusion is achievable on the bench.

Yucca.